Interesting – I’ll dig out my West Malling book although it is only a stones throw it doesn’t mean they should automatically be connected I suppose.
Wow really? That’s interesting – I wonder how they got where they are. I presumed the close proximity to West Malling may mean they came off a type from there but I’m not aware the Hamilcars operated out of there. Stands to be shot down!



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“As a photographer its impossible to get good shots,”
If you are a photographer you should be more than capable of getting good shots.
It’s the same old chestnut….it’s a Museum, not a photographic studio filled with planes.
The land warfare hall at Duxford is very dark, but this doesn’t detract from the exhibits. I’d say the same about the BoB Hall.
Phantex,
You don’t mention if you have been or are indeed a photographer but I imagine you are not as you have chosen to only edit part of one sentence. All the aircraft within the area between the Ju87 and the Gladiator with the exception perhaps of the Bf109 and CR42 are poorly lit from single spots. In order to take photograps in near darkness you need ambient light on the subject in some degree and one single spot showing a wheel well does not illuminate the aircraft. Particularly the He111, Bolingbrook and Ju88 can hardly be seen beyond the spotlit undersides. If you can’t see it then you can’t photograph it! Photography with an SLR is dependant on metering by seperate meter or inbuilt sensor which relies on there being some light otherwise by using BULB setting it is guess work.
I am sure many people who may or may not own an SLR or a pocket sized camera would like to go away with a record of their day so ‘Its not a photographic studio’ is somewhat lame.
Regardless of my photographic argument when you can’t see an aircraft how can you study it. I am sure many modellers also visit the museum to view (and dare I say photograph) details on the exhibits. In the darkness there are no details to be seen and why illuminate a wheel well only?
It might be a museum but you would like to think you could see what was in it. My argument is, not necessarily that it is poorly lit, but that it has supposedly been improved yet over half the overhead lights were not on and those that were seemed to be under low light. None of the other buildings are like this.
Elsewhere the FAA Flight Deck is mentioned which I visited a few years ago. At least by studying the show you can establish an order in which the exhibits are lit and obtain some atmospheric shots in time with the show even if you run through it a couple of times.
I was there today and think I have found the right thread to comment on –
I was under the impression that the lighting had been improved in the BoB Hall in its entirety. The glass wall is great for that end but the other exhibits are in virtual darkness with only a small number of the overhead lights turned on and not that bright in any case and all lit from below (?) by spotlights.
As a photographer its impossible to get good shots, or even a good look at, a dozen aircraft of significant importance. The He111 and Bolingbroke are impossible to even study in any depth with the naked eye backed into dark corners you can’t access. I took photo’s around the rest of museum with great results with my SLR set to apperture priority F22 on ISO100 on a tripod and let it work out its own shutter speed. In the BoB I even tried the BULB setting for 1 minute exposures with poor results (I get better street light shots on lower settings!). I asked the guide/assistant about this to be told that it has been a complaint of the public for many years and nothing has improved for many years or been done about the complaints. When I pointed out all of the unlit overhead lights she told me that that was the way it always has been!!
Its nearly as good as my experience with the man in his hut on the gate. Having driven for 2 hrs to get there in sufficient time to open I arrived at 9.30 to find the gates open and drive through stopping by his kiosk as he lent out to be told I could not stay and must leave and come back in 25 minutes and could park up on the industrial estate and wait. When I pointed out how long I had been driving and couldnt help the fact that I was a little early and his gates were open and I would like to just stay in the car park and wait I was told in no uncertain terms NO. Mystified by this I did depart only to return to find more cars and coaches in the car park when I returned!! Where is the sense in that?
I have mailed a complaint about these two points. I have also pointed out tho, so as not to seem a complete grouch, how impressed I was with the rest of the museum and the other helpful staff.
Oh and the galleries in the main hall, the mezannine in the BoB and the Sunderland were all closed. Good job I only wanted to view the outsides at ground level!!
Great shots Cliff.
Forgive my ignorance but – an army Lynx with wheels?
Thanks Daz
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Flying Legends 2003

AB910 in desert scheme
OFMC get low
Legends 02
Two Invaders
Ed Russells LFIXc MK912
TFC’s Bearcat
Air B Aviation’s Bearcat
Aero Retro’s Skyraider
A-36A Invader and Damn Yankee
Some more from me Legends 2001



and including PL965 in pink
EE P1B XA847 at Farnborough 94
