Yes if the F-15 had never been built who knows what direction the F-14 development would of taken… New engines, vastly improve avionics, a2g capability… We probably even would of seen the F-14E Strike Tomcat.

It’s real you pathetic squirts of vaginal discharge!

Do we really have to go over this again? Didn’t I beat all you in an argument about this topic before?

It hasn’t actually been built yet but that’s only because the designer doesn’t have the funds to set up a production facility until someone actually signs a contract for it. But the designs already exist, in dwg format.

Guys, it is only a hoax that Russia has abandoned this project with the fall of the SU…. That’s what they want everyone to believe. In fact this project is continuing even today, in secret, and Russia will put an armed space station in orbit in the 2010-2015 timeframe.

I have no Idea what sort of Laser/s was that thing suppose to use, or even for what purpose.

The lazer was supposed to hit enemy ICBM’s before they could arrive at their targets.

Never mind, that was the T-60S.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/t60sb.jpg

The biggest factor in evading a BVR missile is the range it was fired at. The mroe time you have to evade it, the better. Say a AMRAAM has a range at a specific altitude of 50 kilometres, and it was fired at you from 49 kilometres away. So if you execute a 180 degree turn and use your afterburners to fly away from it, the missile will probably run out of fuel before it reaches you. This evasion technique would not work if you detected the AMRAAM at only 5 kilometres away.

If you cannot do that, then you still have several options. Executing high g turn at 90 degrees can sometimes break your enemy’s radar lock. This should work whether the missile is guided by the laucnhing aircraft, or if it has its own radar. Of course teh enemy will try to reacquire, and if the missile has its own radar it can also try to reacquire on its own, but at least you’ve bought yourself some time.

Then of course there is jamming. I am unsure how modern ECM systems work but basically they somehow fool teh missile into thinking it is closer to your aircraft than it is, so it will explode nowhere near you. I think in order for ECM to be effective, the designers of the ECM need to know detailed information about the missiles they want to trick. For example, a modern American built ECM would be effective against the AA-10 because the Americans have taken apart this missile and know how it works. It would not be effective against the AA-12 because the Americans have never gotten their hands on this missile yet. Also, the AA-12 detects when it’s jammed and locks on to the jamming source.

Then there are chaffs and flares, for radar guided and heatseekign missiles respectively. I trust I don’t need to explain what these are.

Another upgraded F-5 is the Canadair CF-5A. The upgrades on this compared to the regular F-5A are upgraded J-85 engines, a bolt on refueling probe, an upgraded navigational system, improved radios and a two position nose wheel. This was built in 1968 so obviously it’s not as good as the more recent upgrades which can fire the amraam and whatnot but it’s still an upgrade…

Worth ethic? What’s that? Besides, i don’t know of any Canadian stealth projects but i’m sure you have some references up your sleeve. A stealth CL- 415 maybe?

I obviously meant work ethic. Everyone knows Europeans don’t work like we do. Their work day ends at 2 pm, not at 4 or 6 like in the US. They also take longer breaks, don’t work as hard, and are less motivated. That’s why the vast majority of major contributions to technology since WWII came from North America.

Full aerodynamic tests, radar cross-section tests, at least two mockups built… it definately went beyond the drawing stage.

Yeah, the guy that’s building the F-26 STALMA did all those tests too. Does he have the capability to build a stealth plane? If you read the original post, it says Europe may have the ability to design the plane but not actually build it. Designing a plane on paper is only 1% of the task, setting up the production capability to build something as delicate as a stealth fighter is completely another thing.

If you would bother to read up a bit on what’s been written on the Lampyridae (or Lampire if you find that easier to read) you’d know why it got cancelled.

I tried to read up on it, believe me, but I couldn’t find any info on it on the entire internet, it’s just THAT obscure. So it was not unreasonable of my to draw the conclusion that since it is such a little-known and obscure project, it must have really sucked.

But as a Canadian i’m sure you’ll be able to tell us what was wrong with the CF- 105. Why else would it have been cancelled?

ENTIRELY different. The CF-105 actually flew (and broke several world records). It was cancelled for political reasons. The Lampire never even existed except on paper, and was cancelled because the project was going nowhere, politics had nothing to do with it.

Yeah, like jet engines. Or swept wings. Or rocket science.

The Europeans couldn’t have built any of that without our help. As for Germany’s rocket experiments, that was way back pre-WWII when Germany was an entirely different country, so you can’t cite that as proof that modern Germany has the capability to undertake state of the art aerospace projects like stealth fighters.

TJ: You seem to have a gift for making people read through very long posts that don’t really say anything useful or answer the questions asked.

The Yugoslavs could have declared a million combat capable aircraft, the fact is most of them were old relics, ie Mig-21F’s, or J-21’s or something like that. They might have remained officially in service with the AF and thus would show up on a list of the country’s combat capable aircraft, but they definitely were not used for combat in reality. They were PURPOSELY placed out in the open because their destruction was not considered important.