TJ: Do you maintain that 50 combat-capable aircraft were destroyed? Because if you think that then you need to do a lot more research. Out of the Mig-29’s alone, only 9 out of 16 were flyable. The case with the older aircraft was even worse.

The notion that fuel will run out anytime soon is nothing but propaganda from environmentalist extremist whackos. At the current rate of fuel consumption, there is enough fuel to last at least another thousand years. Even if the world’s consumption increases greatly (ie all of China, India, Africa being using as much fuel as the US) there is still enough to last for hundreds of years.

There went that Newsweek article’s credibility. You were saying?

Right, if a Serb claims it, it automatically must be untrue, because only NATO tells the truth. Look up the numbers of M-84’s declared at Dayton after Allied Force (verified by inspectors), and compare it with the number they had prior to Allied Force. You’ll notice a difference of 13 (or thereabouts), not 120, proving that Pavkovic’s assessment is true.

But I also am sure no one wud ever be able to prove the other way round abt having not lost what Veniks says coz what they have is what NATO and US provides ….. and many expects the guys who participated in campaign to let the truth out???….. well the embedded reporting got the exposure only last tear but it always has been there for the last 50 years ….. anyway good Laugh!

But if more planes were lost, that would mean that: 1) The pilots who died happened to have no family who wondered what happened to them, which is very unlikely 2) The planes were destroyed into a million bits so that there was no wreckage, which is very unlikely, or the wreckage went down in the sea, again unlikely, and 3) Plane spotters did not notice a plane not returning to an airbase or the plane was somehow replaced before the spotters noticed it, again very unlikely. I think we have to agree that the chance of all three of these cases being true is very very low.

Models walk towards a Russian-made SU-27 at the 5th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition in Zhuhai, Guangdong province, Southern China. The Airshow China fair, which is a biannual event, is the only international aerospace show that is approved by the Chinese central government. Some 100 aero-space organizations, equipment builders and suppliers from 32 countries and regions have applied to attend the show.

Yeah the two countries are about equal in quality (perhaps the Greeks even have a slight lead) but the Turks have a huge quantitative advantage. But Turkey is a country of 70 million while Greece is a country of 10 million, what do you expect.

Syria has lots of oil, so does Iran, yet I don’t see them buying squadrons of new jet fighters. Do you? Even with their oil revenues their GDP is still only $35 billion.

Arye – a large twin engined fighter being designed by Israel in the late 70’s, cancelled because Israel got the F-15. The project was not a total waste, because much of the knowledge was used in the design of the Lavi.

IAR-95 – fighter jet being designed by Romania in the 80’s, cancelled in the late 80’s. Reached mockup stage, but prototype wasn’t built yet. It looked like the FC-1.

Novi Avion – 4th gen fighter jet being designed by Yugoslavia, cancelled when country broke up. Looked exactly like a single engined Rafale.

Swiss Piranha – don’t know anything about this.

Lampire or something like that – stealth fighter being designed by West Germany in the late 80’s. Maybe someone can add more.

Kobra 2000 – fighter jet being designed by Poland in the early 90’s, cancelled in early stage of development. Looked like an F-16 except with a big wide intake on top. If anyone knows more about this please share.