Actually they all do, let’s look at recent aircraft programs outside of Russia and China.
1. Rafale– ACX general layout and requirements for technology demonstrator completed by 1982 (decision to proceed with development into combat aircraft 1984). Decision to proceed with Rafale prototypes 1987
M88- General design choices and concepts completed late 1970’s for future turbofan required, component tests 1978, HP fan bench tests started in 1983.Full development started in 1986.
Design and development of turbofan started before the aircraft.2. Eurofighter– ACA (1982) replaced earlier ECA, becomes EFA 1984. EAP techology demostrator (1986), Contract signed for Eurofighter demonstrator 1988.
EJ200- development started in 1986
This one is tougher as requirements kept changing. However both Eurofighter and Eurojet both formed in 1986. Either way, development of the demonstration airframe and engine were concurrent.
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fullte…6.pdf#page=3983. F-22– ATF (RFI 1981, RFP 1985-86) Lockheed/GD/Boeing team declared winner of DemVal 1991, contract for EMD
F119- JAFE contracts for demonstrator engines 1983, Contract for EMD 1991
Demonstrator contracts for engines signed after ATF RFI and before RFP.4. F-35– JSF (1986) Contract demonstration phase (1987) Lockheed SDD contract 2001.
F135 & F136- F136 pre-system SDD phase 1996, CDR 1997-2003……. F135- JSF 119–PW-611 (1997), F135 CDR 2003
Again, engine development started concurrent with aircraft demonstration contract.So, yes, the engine development generally starts at (or even before) the time requirements for the the aircraft are defined.
MFI
start of work – 1981
MiG 1.44 was built in 1988-1991
The first flight was planned in 1992
Serial production of MiG 1.42 in 1995 at the Sokol aircraft factory in Nizhny Novgorod.
S-22 / S-37 / Su-47
beginning of work – 1983.
full scale development – 1988
May 1989 program closure
construction of a prototype at the expense of own funds of the company 1992 – 1997
T-50 / Su-57
preliminary work 1999
the beginning of the work on the program “Fighter – 21” – April 2001
In 2002, the T-50 was chosen from two Sukhoi T-50 and MiG E-72 projects.
2003 – 2004 – protection of the draft design. Started flights on the “flying laboratory” Su-47 with a new weapon compartment
March 2007 – the beginning of the construction of the T-50
June 2009 built T-50KNS, T-50-0 and T-50-1
January 2010 – the first flight of the T-50
Hmmm…Empty weight of Su-47 is reported to be almost same than Su-27 (16.3 tons). Though, Russian Wikipedia claims 19.5 tons.
Didn’t realize that AL-41F was that much bigger than AL-31F.
Is R179-300 what was supposed to power S-37 (Sukhoi’s single-engined fighter/bomber)?
Su-27 first series empty weight 16380 kg
Su-27SK weight empty 17500 kg
Su-35S – 19300 kg
Su-47 weight empty not less 19600 kg, and likely several more.
Engine R179-300 created on base R79B-300. from fighter Yak-141. It is adapted to sea conditions. Supersonic strike aircraft Su-137 also assumed R179-300, but with a round all angle nozzle.
Btw why did they use D-30F-6’s to propel Su-47? Since much of the airframe was based on Su-27, why not use AL-31F?
The AL-31F is not powerful enough for a heavy Su-47 fighter. The R179-300 engine with afterburner 17,500 kgf was not ready at that time. AL-41F (ed.20) did not give the firm Sukhoi
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2018
USA:
90 F-35 13.29 * 56 + 14.515 * 24 + 15.785 * 10 = 1250.45 t
17 КС-46А
11 MC-130J
Russia:
14 Su-30SM 18.86 * 14 = 264.04
12 Su-34 22 * 12 = 264
10 Su-35S 19.3 * 10 = 193
14 Yak-130 7.25 * 14 = 101.5
3 An-148
2 Tu-214PU-SBUS
2 Il-76MD-90A
1 IL-78M-90A
822.54 t
modernization:
1 Tu-160M1
4 Tu-95MSM
6 Su-27SM3 17.5 * 6 = 105
4 Su-25SM3 11.6 * 4 = 46.4
1 A-50U
10 MiG-31BM / C 21.545 * 10 = 215.45
366.85 t
Thus, the difference in new aircraft is 52% in favor of the United States.
Given the modernization of 5% in favor of the United States
Russia a thousand years. Before each war, the invaders deceive themselves in Russia’s weakness. The war always ends the same way – in the capital of the aggressor
Firm “Antonov” not lucky with the country.
Relatively reliable sources will be presented at the nearest aviation exhibitions
Presumably, the engine of the “first stage” provides cruising speed M=1.3. The engine of the “second stage” of not less than M=1.78
MiG-23B – 24 (1971)
MiG-23BN Part of the aircraft is made of MiG-23M
MiG-23BM (1973)
MiG-23BK (1974)
MiG-27 (1974)
MiG-27K 200 (1975, mass production 1977 – 1982, Irkutsk)
MiG-27M 150 (1976, mass production 1978 – 1983, Irkutsk)
modernization MiG-27 in MiG-27M 500 (1982 – 1985, Ulan-Ude)
MiG-27ML 200 (export option MiG-27M, 1982, Nasik, India, 1986 – 1994)
Production of the MiG-23B / BN established in Moscow, the plant “Banner of Labor” (“Знамя Труда”)
F-104, wing load 494 – 723 kg/m2, thrust 0.54 – 0.79 kgf/kg
F-4, wing load 383 – 570 kg/m2, thrust 0.58 – 0.86 kgf/kg
Su-15TM wing load 470 – 489 kg/m2, thrust 0.75 – 0.78 kgf/kg
Phantom has the advantage
Tasks that performed f-4 Phantom in the US air force in the USSR air force performed three types:
Su-15, MiG-23 and Su-24
The value of a weapon-system is never the sum of its specifics. Just a mental exercise.
In this case, I can safely say that one MiG-23 will win all NATO aircraft 🙂
F-104 in competition with the MiG-21
F-106 compare with su-9 / su-11
F-101 – Yak-28P and Tu-128
Su-15 it makes sense to compare with the F-4
I Think it would be fair