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    It depends on what is included in that “ceiling”.

    The “ceiling” is a legal ceiling, the final contract price cannot be more than what the Parliament authorized + 20% overrun. $7.9 billion authorized + 20% overrun = $9.5 billion absolute legal price ceiling. The DAPA has no authority to sign a contract over $9.5 billion.

    This is why those who are observing this contest call the F-35 bid dead and crowned the Silent Eagle as the winner.

    SlowMan
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    I cannot imaging that 60 F-15 will cost less than 10 billion!? thus the Silent Eagle should cost at least 12.4 billion, and probably more.

    Boeing just won the Korea’s AH-X contest by pricing 36 Apaches for just $1.6 billion. Boeing cut prices so deep that the other guys couldn’t compete.

    Likewise Boeing is expected to win the Korean F-X contest based on expected price discount at the last moment.

    in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2290230
    SlowMan
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    52 F-35 cost 10.5 billion USD (approx). I don’t know why the Koreans can get 8 a/c more and pay just 0.3 billion more, they are not even partners!

    This is a make or break moment for the F-35; if they lose the Korean contest, then all the partner nations will start bailing out and look at the Silent Hornet instead.

    SlowMan
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    FYI, the F-35’s bid price is still $1 billion above the legal price ceiling.

    in reply to: AWACS on the way out? #2290906
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    With the advent of 5th Generation Stealth Fighters. Will AWACS Type Aircraft be able to survive???

    To the contrary, air forces need the AESA AWACS more than ever, since the 5th gen stealth doesn’t work against L-band AWACS radar too well.

    in reply to: 1000-2000 market for a cheap light fighter? #2291215
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    Slowman, the term SDB is being used generically to mean small diameter bombs… see for instance:
    http://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com/2012/11/cm-506kg-small-diameter-bomb-sdb.html

    But that’s a Chinese weapon, not a foreign weapon. You specifically said non-Chinese weapons like SDB.

    The truth is that the US and NATO weapons are banned from integration into Chinese jets.

    You are entitled to your biases. I would tend to believe that the JF-17 is a worthy fighter plane and air combat is not about a weiner contest.

    So you are saying that a JF-17 is equal to an Su-30MKK in dogfight performance?

    Wow, China has a savior for 3rd world countries and Sukhoi needs to go out of business in shame, having been matched by the cheapest fighter jet on the market.

    in reply to: 1000-2000 market for a cheap light fighter? #2291242
    SlowMan
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    as well as a number of other weapons, including non-chinese weapons. Already integrated weapons include for instance the CM-400 AKG

    CM-400 AKG is an export model YJ-12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-12#CM-400AKG

    SDBs

    I don’t see JF-17 mentioned in Boeing SDB, nor is it even likely considering this is a US weapon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-39_Small_Diameter_Bomb#Aircraft_integration_and_testing

    Aircraft integration and testing

    The SDB is currently integrated on the F-15E Strike Eagle. Future integration is planned for the F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-22 Raptor, F-35 Lightning II, A-10 Thunderbolt II, B-1 Lancer, B-2 Spirit, and the B-52 Stratofortress. Other aircraft, including UCAVs, may also receive the necessary upgrades.

    AGMs…

    Which one?

    Anyhow, this is a pretty disturbing news; either Su-30MKK are terrible or Chinese pilots are sucky. I would guess it’s the latter.

    During air combat manoeuvres with the People’s Liberation Army Air Force, for example, PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.

    in reply to: how could North Korea use its air power in an attack? #2291525
    SlowMan
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    http://theaviationist.com/2013/03/08/mig-highway

    http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/NK-runway-1.jpg
    http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/NK-runway-2.jpg
    http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/NK-runway-3.jpg

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57577316/u.s-moving-key-vessels-nearer-north-korea/

    U.S. moving key vessels nearer North Korea

    Carney said Monday the increased military hardware served many functions.

    “The actions we’ve taken are prudent, and they include, on missile defense to enhance both the homeland and allied security, and other actions like the B-2 and B-52 flights have been important steps to reassure our allies, demonstrate our resolve to the North, and reduce pressure on Seoul to take unilateral action,” Carney said. “And we believe this has reduced the chance of miscalculation and provocation.”

    Strangely, the White House press secretary is talking about persuading the ROK government to not go alone in bombing North Korea. This is the reverse of 1993, when the ROK president was desperately trying to persuade Bill Clinton to not unilaterally bomb North Korean nuclear facilities.

    in reply to: F-22A Raptors to South Korea. #2291866
    SlowMan
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    More like the ROK is testing its radars by using the F-22 and the B-2 as benchmarks and collecting data.

    in reply to: Turkish Air Force – News & Discussion #2291988
    SlowMan
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    Also with a strong goverment support its not impossible for Turkey too.

    So is Turkey ready to commit $30 billion for the development and production of a new type? Good luck.

    Not sure what the big deal is with TF-X possibly being Gripen NG+, aside from it being not as interesting for enthusiasts as a clean-sheet design would be. Gripen NG would make excellent light A2A-focused complement to heavier and A2G-focused F-35.

    What Turkey wants is an operational freedom; they don’t want a fighter jet that cannot identify Israeli jets as enemies, can’t easily integrate Turkish weapons, and cannot be upgraded in Turkey. So as long as the Gripen-T guarantees that freedom by giving Turkish the complete control of source code and maintenance, the objective is achieved.

    in reply to: how could North Korea use its air power in an attack? #2292002
    SlowMan
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    since russians and south koreans are already carving up their “chunks” of DPRK

    There is no carving up. That’s J-31 Burrito’s pure imagination.

    question is what “chunks” would the chinese carve out for themselves?

    It’s actually the other way around. The ROK claims Eastern Manchuria which was a Korean territory until 1909 and wants it back at the first available opportunity, which would make the biggest territorial dispute in the modern history. China fears this territorial dispute heating up once the ROK moves its border to Yalu-Tumen rivers and this is why China’s supporting Kim’s regime as buffer.

    and does this debate show the future reality for DPRK?

    The future reality is that it will be made the SAR of ROK and be put through a rapid economic development in which it went through.

    in reply to: Turkish Air Force – News & Discussion #2292161
    SlowMan
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    And it isn’t an all-new aircraft.

    Just like how the Super Hornet wasn’t supposed to be an all new type, when in fact it was.

    2. 2023 is ridiculously optimistic unless it’s a derivative, in which case the same argument applies: it doesn’t need as many resources.

    Thank you for admitting why the TF-X must be a Gripen-derivative.

    3. I clearly laid out a proposal under which SAAB would be in charge of development. What relevance does TAI’s experience have?

    More reasons as to why the TF-X must be a derivative of an existing fighter.

    That puts first flight 5 years after Gripen E deliveries begin. Sequential development.

    So which company can develop a new modern fighter jet from scratch in 5 years?

    I, too, was expecting something like a Gripen TR or a derivative of the FS2020 concept. However, it seems that the role of Saab, unlike the latest news article which is faulty, is limited to a consultant / experience provider. Current project model seem to call for an indigenous design, incorporating some foreign systems (like engine), backed up with foreign technical assistance, experience, know-how.

    Here is why the TF-X cannot be an all new jet; Turkey simply doesn’t have the money and expertise to develop and build a new type and must find partners willing to share an output of 300 units to be economically viable. Developing a modern fighter jet is prohibitively expensive so no country with a defense budget of less than $100 billion a year can do it alone. This is why the Typhoon was a four nation joint project, PAK-FA is a 50:50 funding project between Russia and India, Gripen E/F is a joint-venture between Sweden and Swiss, why Japan and Korea are seeking partner nations for their respective fighter projects, etc.

    in reply to: how could North Korea use its air power in an attack? #2292163
    SlowMan
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    Most likely South Korea would keep the north wages low so they can use them for cheap labor. basically North Korea will be South Korea’s Mexico

    The ROK government plans to put North Korea through the same kind of rapid economic growth that it and China went through; they have the experience and money to make this happen, made especially easier by thousands of foreign companies leaving China.

    He is not Russian, the Russians dont owehim anything.

    The North Korean government collects the wages on behalf of North Korean workers. Thus Kim Jong Un can collect a back pay of $1700 a month on North Korean laborers if what you claim is true. Of course it’s not true.

    they do because that and Chinese stuff are the only thing Norks are allowed to watch

    North Koreans are not allowed to watch any Chinese stuff. North Koreans risk their lives to watch the ROK stuff because entertainment is like drug.

    North Koreans would be envious.. look at all the Koreans in prestigious positions in Russia:

    Well, there are no Chung Joo Yong(Hyundai founder) and Moon Sun Myung(Moonie cult aka The Unification Church founder and a billionaire) in Russia.

    but don’t worry.. your ideas and Russias ideas will both happen. Russia can just reclaim Raison

    Where are you getting this crazy idea again? Russia’s primary objective is the defense of Siberia from Chinese encroachment through its economic development by connecting gas pipe, railway, and electric grid with the ROK.

    in reply to: 1000-2000 market for a cheap light fighter? #2292870
    SlowMan
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    Where do you put the “Asian Tigers” you left out… Japan, South Korea, Singapore, & Taiwan?

    Japan was never a part of Asian Tiger. And the term Asian tiger is obsolete because all four are now developed countries that can afford to pay for and do need high end fighter jets to confront China, thus no market for a cheap low-end fighter there.

    Or for that matter, Brazil?

    Brazil has no real enemy.

    In Europe there’s this car brand “Dacia”. Belongs to Renault and offers reasonably priced cars, in some markets below EUR10k. Not bad cars, btw. But the thing is that you basically forfeit the last 25 years of automotive development with it – that’s the price for a low price.

    Not the case; Dacia Logan meets all the European safety and emissions regulations. It is as modern as any other but looks retro to protect Renault’s own brand models in Western Europe.

    Enter J-7 – all you really need for your daily air to air business.

    Unlike Dacia Logan, it is not modern.

    in reply to: how could North Korea use its air power in an attack? #2292884
    SlowMan
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    those are exceptions not the norm. the south korean govt has affirmative action policies to help them but the populace dislikes the north koreans.

    Those who can’t assimilate, maybe.
    Those who can, where’s the hate?

    they look down on them.

    Well, they look down on all 3rd worlders, including Chinese.

    now imagine korea trying to absorb 20 million North koreans. they cant do it. they would have to separate them with borders and restrict movement like how china did for its rich areas

    The ROK government plans to do exactly that for at least 20 years by establishing a SAR.

    actually russia’s wages can be higher than that.

    Then Kim Jong Eun should be flying to Russia demanding the back pay difference of $1700 per month since the average wage North Korean laborers have gotten is $300.

    russia is a developed country. in fact per capita income of Tyumen is much higher than entire south korea.

    http://www.globalsherpa.org/bric-countries-brics

    BRIC Countries – Background, Latest News, Statistics and Original Articles
    The BRIC countries label refers to a select group of four large, developing countries (Brazil, Russia, India and China).

    north koreans regularly work in russia so they are more familiar with russia than south korea

    Well, North Koreans do not watch Russian TV.

    they learn russian in their schools as a foreign language.

    Not any more.

    also russia would likely create an autonomous are for north koreans like they do other minorities

    If North Koreans see how the ethnic minorities live in Russia, then they would flee to the ROK faster than the speed of sound.

    But that’s exactly what’s happening right now; Russia does not deport North Korean laborers seeking an asylum, and what do these North Korean laborers choose to do? They choose to go to the ROK.

    I don’t see why that couldnt happen in Korea as well.

    A 20-year SAR as explained above. The Korean government studied the German case and won’t make same mistakes.

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