SlowMani can only found this about EF-2000 future AESA radar
it seem little bit weird caused eurofighter dont have bigger random than F-35 , also not bigger but the radar range here seem to match su-35’s irbis-e 😮
It doesn’t. It is just a marketing brochure number.
SlowManhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4kPekSRYs
[Watch the video with sound turned off. That music is really annoying]
This is the reason why the ROKAF is not interested in stealth penetration, it is far more efficient to dump lots of glide bombs to strike multiple targets at once from 60 km away from the North Korean coastline than attempt an infiltration while the North Korean air-defense is still active. Notice that even the F-4 can drop this glide bomb; the ROKAF intends to use every jet available except for the F-5 as bomb delivery trucks for the first 4 days of war.
There is also a separate project called JDAM-ER, which is a 2,000 lbs JDAM with a wing kit to provide a similar range stand off strike capability by Boeing for the ROKAF.
This is why the F-35’s inability to carry external ordinance(External ordinance required, internal ordinance not required) was all about, because the ROKAF would have to use the F-35 as a glide bomb delivery truck if selected, but the F-35 offered to Korea cannot carry external ordinance.
SlowManS. Korea Weighs Fighter Jet Purchase Options
Apr. 6, 2013 – 03:51PM | By AARON MEHTAIn light of North Korea’s increasingly hostile stance, however, the government has put a premium on weapon acquisition, with new fighter jets capable of fending off an invasion at the top of their list.
The real-world factors provide a stark choice between the two U.S. jets, according to Richard Abou-lafia, an analyst with the Teal Group, Fairfax, Va. The F-35 offers more advanced capabilities, especially in the realm of anti-access area-denial (A2AD) technology. But the need for forces capable of defending against a more traditional army may convince DAPA to choose the more traditional design of the F-15.
“With Korea, in that position, you’re concerned about bang for the buck. It has very little to do with penetrability, it has everything to do with just dropping bombs on attacking forces.
“It’s a big challenge to our assumptions about generational change in aircraft,” he said.
“On the one hand, fifth gen definitely has its appeal for people who are coping with an A2AD environ. But if your big upfront concern is lots of ordnance and capacity, it’s hard to beat an F-15.”
That dichotomy between long-term strategic goals and short-term need is what makes F-XIII the “most interesting game in town,” he said.
The ROKAF chief made it very clear in what he wants; he wants ANY JET(Yup explicitly used the word ANY JET) that could be delivered in 2016 and enter IOC in 2017. He doesn’t care about the stealth penetrability BS, Anti-Access problem will be taken care of with tens of thousands of glide bombs.
But while the F-15SE is not as advanced as the F-35, Aboulafia said it would be better than “anything else currently in the theater.” And if South Korea selects the F-15SE over the F-35, Aboulafia expects another fighter competition to spring up at the end of this decade — one that he predicts the JSF will win.
This is wrong. This F-X is the last fighter jet importation deal unless the F-22 is made available. All new airforce jet acquisition in the 2020s and onward will be local jets, the KFX(A2A) and an UCAV(A2G).
As for Eurofighter, Aboulafia does not see much chance of them winning the contract. “Given the circumstances, a non-U.S. plane is inconceivable,” he said.
Well, at least the Typhoon has a better chance than the F-35, because it can be delivered in 2016.
The planes, along with associated gear, parts, training and logistical support, would cost South Korea $10.8 billion. Included are nine spare engines from Pratt & Whitney. The contract is a Foreign Military Sale (FMS), where the U.S. government acts as a broker between contractor Lockheed Martin and South Korea’s armed forces.
That proposed price is well over the target cost of 8.3 trillion won ($7.3 billion). DAPA has said that price is the most important issue for selecting a final bidder.
As I have mentioned repeatedly, the price has become the most important factor when all three bid exceeded the parliament approved $7.9 billion(It’s $7.9 billion, not $7.3 billion. The approved budget is in USD and not Korean Won, but the figure was released in Korean won to press using the exchange rate of the approval date, which is then recalculated in USD using today’s exchange rate).
Boeing has the added advantage of being the industrial base partner for the F-15 already in South Korea.
Yup. Major aerospace industry suppliers back the Boeing bid, because they are comfortable working with Boeing, and companies like KAI put its own money down in the CWB development.
SlowManSkor should just get Su-35s
Korea tried to buy PAK-FA but Russia turned down.
Russia is willing to give free weapons in exchange for debt relief
Weapons for debt+cash payment is for more important stuff, like the S-400 components, plasma stealth, long-range(250 km+) FCS radar(Needed for KL-SAM), missile design plan, submarine fuel-cell, etc.
second the more and more Skor buys Russian weapons the less willing Russians will sell to Norks.
Russia doesn’t have a Rosoboronexport office in Pyongyang anymore; Russia has one in Seoul instead.
SlowManwhy ?
1. Bigger, more powerful AESA radar
2. R77 vs AMRAAM
3. More fuel and endurance
4. Better supercruise
5. TVC
6. Cheaper cost means you can always buy more and send out more. No one ever says war is fair.
SlowManIt was too close to the X-35.
The intention of the US DoD was to compare two dissimilar types side by side, one low-risk low-return type and one high-risk high-return type.
SlowMandepend on what their requirement
It was a serious of general performance evaluation; climb, acceleration, turn, roll, avionics, radar, an AMRAAM firing(Not done on the F-35 and the F-35 received zero), micromaneuvers, visibility, etc.
SlowManTu22M and I know certain abilities that are generally not known to the public at large..Look at my reply 25..
Well, the ROKAF evaluaters gave the F-35 the lowest score of three jets in their performance evaluations.
SlowManI think the F35 will come out on top. Nobody can match its sustained 4,1G and 50 degree AoA… Its the best WVR fighter evur made.
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SlowManwhich one is better EF-2000 or su-35
let discuss
Su-35, of course.
SlowManhttp://www.defenseworld.net/news/8162/Singapore_Orders_Raytheon_Missiles_For_Its_New_F_15SG
Singapore Orders Raytheon Missiles For Its New F-15SG
Source : Our Bureau ~ Dated : Saturday, April 6, 2013 @ 10:51 AMViews : 155 A- A A+
U.S has offered the deal to The Government of the Republic of Singapore for 100 AIM-120C7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) for an estimated cost of $210 million and 20 AIM 9X-2 SIDEWINDER Block II All Up Round Missiles for an estimated cost of $36 million.
The Government of Singapore has requested a possible sale of 100 AIM-120C7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM), AMRAAM Programmable Advanced System Interface Simulator (PASIS), 10 AMRAAM Spare Guidance Sections, 18 AN/AVS-9(V) Night Vision Goggles, H-764G with GEM V Selective Availability Anti-Spoofing Module (SAASM), Common Munitions Built-in-Test Reprogramming Equipment (CMBRE-Plus) in support of a Direct Commercial Sale of new F-15SG aircraft.
Government and contractor engineering, logistics, and technical support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support.
Singapore is procuring, via Direct Commercial Sale, new F-15SG aircraft. Singapore will have no difficulty absorbing the AIM-120C7s and AIM-9X-2 into its armed forces.
The prime contractors will be Raytheon, Honeywell Aerospace, ITT Night Vision and ATK Defense Electronic Systems for $210 million deal and $36 million deal will have Raytheon as a sole contractor.
The contractors intend to work on this deal as no such offset agreements are made official yet.
SlowManHow does EF’s announcement of increasing the local production change things?
Local assembly of imported modules from Europe into a finished jet, not manufacturing.
EADS CASA’s offer doesn’t change anything because the DAPA asked for local sourcing of parts, not local final assembly of the jets because the Korean aerospace industry would have little to gain from it and not even KAI needs that extra work right now. Only Boeing offered a $1.2 billion local parts sourcing program as requested by the DAPA, another sign that Boeing understands what they need to win this contest.
If the EADS CASA offered to source electronic parts, AESA element, and transfer the source code, then that would really have made a difference, the local final assembly is seen as only adding cost and delaying delivery; they don’t want it.
Assuming a single bidder doesn’t come in below the $7.9B figure, is offset/local production a specific rating factor?
Local parts sourcing and source code transfer makes a big difference.
Local final assembly actually hurts a bid.
SlowManI am not critising, by the contrary, if i was the South Korean Defense Minister i would have signed an order for 60 american fighters (Boeing/LM, who cares…) three weeks ago.
And you the self-appointed defense minister would be in a big trouble since the defense minister has no authority to sign that contract.
What to buy is decided by the DAPA based on the scoring that is briefed to each bidder after the decision, and must be approved by the president who can either accept or reject the outcome, but not change the outcome. The presidents elected since the end of military dictatorship has never rejected such a deal, because rejecting the deal means starting over and that takes years.
Any politically motivated decision is impossible because of the parliament monitoring, the press, and the threats of lawsuits using American and European law firms operating in Korea.
This is the reason why Korea is able to say no to the F-35 while the Japan couldn’t, because Japanese SDF made the decision and these guys have an extensive working relationships with US military, so the US DoD’s persuasion was hard to ignore. In case of Korea, the DAPA has no day to day working relationship with US officials; they only meet each other as buyer and sellers in the case of FMS bids being represented by the US DoD.
SlowManI understand that but a Silent 15 won’t bomb any more than a regular one… In fact less.
If we were talking about a silent B1 (there is some img on the web) then I would hve agreed.
Let’s say each Silent Eagle in F-15SA configuration is armed with 6 tons of munition making 6 sorties a day; that’s a total of 2,160 tons of munition dropped by 60 Silent Eagles per day.
North Korea brags about being able to fire 100,000 artillery shells per hour. When battling an opponent with a crazy firepower, you also need a crazy bombing capability too.
This is why the F-35 was the only jet surrounded by continuous disqualification controversy in the Korean F-X from the start, that the F-35 doesn’t even meet the minimum performance requirement specified in the bid document, such as the ability to carry certain amount of external ordinance and the F-35 is way short of the ROKAF requirement.
SlowManIt does not make any sense. You do not order F15SE to make a practicable bomb truck when you alrdy hve dual mission F15s.
The kind of war that the ROK defense ministry envisions is a WW1 scale all out war with a combined troop strength of 1.5 million communist troops(PLA + North Korean army) in the worst case scenario.
You need to be able to drop a couple thousand tons of munitions a day to battle this kind of enemy.
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