What new facts will Red Kite reveal?
Well, as co-author of the new Dunkirk Air Combat Archive book, what I would say is that the RAF did massively over claim during Dunkirk but this is almost entirely due to the pilots never having been in combat before and presuming that the enemy aircraft were more damaged than they were. As with our Battle of Britain Combat Archive series, all we do in this book is present the claims and actual losses for both sides along with relevant combat and intelligence reports so that the reader can form their own opinions.
I think what is true is that RAF Fighter Command was heavily engaged over Dunkirk, sometimes in patrols of 30+ fighters (months before the ‘Big Wing’ concept) and during Op Dynamo the pilots were basically tasked with flying a continuous patrol line from Calais to Ostend. One thing that the programme didn’t mention was the terrible weather which prevailed during a lot of the evacuation. This not only hid the RAF fighters from the soldiers on the beaches but also hid the soldiers from the Luftwaffe.
Mark P
Mark, Please confirm this is green sweeping backwards on the port side.
Peter, that’s brown in between your pink dots but the colour’s not the point, it’s the pattern that’s important. Here’s a visual which hopefully explains everything!
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The bubble canopy Spitfire has the ‘A’ camouflage scheme which to describe it simply has the green sweeping forwards on the port side of the fuselage. This is evidenced by the wing camo scheme which is quite clear on the photo and is the ‘A’ scheme.
N3200 had the ‘B’ camouflage scheme which had the green sweeping backwards on the port side. The port wing style of the ‘B’ scheme is very different to that in the bubble canopy Spitfire photo. Look at photos of the two preserved MkIs P9374 and N3200 together to see the difference.
Mark P
The pan or orthochromatic film wouldn’t make a difference in this respect as the two different camouflage schemes were not simply a case of reversing the green and the brown, they were different patterns entirely when viewed from one side.
As has been mentioned before, I think the bubble canopy Spitfire has the opposite camo scheme to N3200, so my money would be on it being a 1941 Spitfire of which there must be plenty of candidates?
Very interesting Peter. I had spotted this ‘bubble’ canopy on a late Battle of Britain 609 Squadron Spitfire and always wondered how widespread its use was. do you know any more details about the mod?
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Don’t know if these will help, enlargements from a couple of pictures in our ww2images.com library.
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I painted this aircraft for the Norwegian Armed Forces some years ago. As far as I remember, the markings were carried for just a few weeks and unfortunately during this period Rolf Arne Berg didn’t see any air combat. We therefore had to show him shooting up a German Command Post near Dunkirk! Great looking Spitfire though, I look forward to seeing the ‘real thing’!
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Mark P
I’m fairly sure the submerged Heinkel 111 is a 115,
No it’s definitely a He111, look at the engine, the He115 had radials!
It’s G1+HP which force landed at Anningtons Farm, Bramber on 16 August 1940. According to our Luftwaffe Crash Archive series Vol 2, it was subsequently put on public display in Brighton so probably ended up in the factory temporarily whilst on tour. In other photos of the crashed aircraft in the book, you can see the werke number in the same position on the other side of the fin.
49/49 and I agree that multiple choice helped with a few of the obscure ones, just as it did with some of my ‘O’ levels! Question 43 has four wrong answers though, so pick the one that you think they think it is, if you see what I mean…
…As in Be2F A1325, if that’s the one you mean. A lovely stable aircraft that keeps you warm by covering you in a fine film of oil from the exposed engine right in front of you… I would have hated to have gone to war in it though!
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Photos taken from a Be2f.
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Here’s an airborne shot of F5690 that I took in 2010. It’s certainly one of the most aggressive looking aircraft I’ve ever shared a bit of sky with!
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Mark P
It looks like a wartime photo-montage where a Do17 tailplane has been merged with a press photo from a well known air to air session of a Yugoslavian marked Hurricane.