Andy Thomas chose this combat for me to paint as the cover art subject for his V-1 Aces book. I remember the biggest difficulty was finding out which wing Dixie Dean used to tip the V-1!
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Here’s a close up Alex, I don’t think it helps much though!
Hi Alex,
We’ve got quite a few photos in our ww2images library, have a browse through these and let me know if any might be helpful. If you find anything, send me a pm (private message) and we’ll take it from there.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=76860323@N02&q=hampden
Mark P
We’ve got one photo of Yellow 7 (probably from Andy’s collection) in the new Luftwaffe Crash Archive 3 which will be out next month.
Andy, Simon and I are planning a whole series of paintings based on these Battle of Britain combats so watch this space, you may well end up wanting to sponsor one of them!
Yes Antoni, probably from next Monday via the website when we have a definite delivery date from the printers and can upload sample pages etc.
I’ve been told that every downed Luftwaffe aircraft was photographed from four sides by Air Intelligence and that this archive is still missing. Do you know if this is correct or just a bit of a myth that I’ve been told.
I don’t know is the short answer. However, looking at how busy they were in late August, early September and how slack they were with recording some of the more obvious details I doubt it. They were in imminent threat of invasion, they knew most of the codes/units/airfields already so you get the impression that the investigators were just trying to keep up with recording what they could as more and more smoking holes appeared in southern England. Maybe later in the war they had the time to do it, but it probably just applied to the totally intact airframes.
Incidentally, looking ahead to Volume 4 there is a very noticeable lack of existing photographs of aircraft that came down on 15th September. Apart from the Victoria Station Dornier and a few others, it’s really looking sparse. If anyone has anything on this day do let us know!
Hi Steve,
I’m just finishing off the design/corrections this week so it will be off to the printers on Monday with an expected/hoped for delivery date of around 15th October. This one took a little longer than expected simply because of the huge photo selection we managed to bring together for this one. It means that we’re only covering 11 days in this volume, 30th August – 9th September, but they were very busy days for the Air Intelligence investigators, as you will hopefully see on publication!
Mark Postlethwaite
(Red Kite/Wing Leader)
I think Creaking Door’s question is more about why have different colours between the Med and the Russian theatres, why not just have yellow globally for example. Great question by the way, wish I knew the answer!
Thanks for the heads-up on this. I thought it was a lovely programme, Minnie Driver came across as genuinely down to earth and interested in it all and her father could probably have had an entire series devoted to him and his family! Refreshing to see experts picked for their knowledge and not for their ability to spout artificially enthusiastic soundbytes, the Rep Theatre historian being particularly impressive.
Finally, any mainstream TV programme that cares enough to note that the Bf109s that took part in the Battle of Heligoland Bight were 109Ds instead of just generic 109s has to be worth a second look! Having done a fair bit of research into the battle recently for a future painting, I really couldn’t fault it.
Mark P
No nothing entered this year Andy, never seem to have the time to paint, frame and lug them down to London, and I’m in Poland for a few weeks now anyway having a much needed break! That Mingaladon composition is very tempting… do you think we could find a sponsor…?!
Sorry Antoni you’re incorrect. It’s pre-Battle of Britain when the port wing was also black, starboard white. From December 1940 – April 1941 they would also have had a sky band around the rear fuselage and a sky spinner.
I’d say it was 616 Squadron at Fowlmere in late summer 1940, the Leconfield photos are pre-Battle of Britain, note the black undersides to the port wing.
I think the important thing to bear in mind is that Sir Peter plans to retell the story of the Dambuster Raid, not to remake the classic film. As such I don’t think there is much need to compare the two. The original film was a classic of its time and hopefully the new one will be too. It certainly couldn’t be in better hands as both Sir Peter and Stephen Fry know more about the historical and technical details of the raid now than most, if not all, people on this forum!
The mid-upper was certainly refitted to ED825 as we found one of the taboo track wheels from it in France. As the ‘Provisioning’ suffix meant that the aircraft should be able to be returned to standard fit, then I’m sure that bomb-doors were refitted as well. Several of the aircraft took part in standard bombing raids post Chastise so it would have made sense to do this.
Channel 5 18.05pm tonight, ‘Last of the Dambusters’ has more coverage of our recovery of ED825 back in 2007 and Johnny Johnson’s return to the Sorpe.