Can’t see the BBMF nose art at the mo but its doing circuits outside my office at Cranwell right now-Lovely!
A brilliant programme, in my opinion. Some excellent archive stuff (some of which I’d not seen before) mixed with some superb preserved jets. If nothing else, it showed how many aircraft have been preserved by hard working enthusiasts and gave the UK historical aviation movement good publicity overall I think – something we all need in these financially tight times. For me personally the section on the EE Lightning took me straight back to my youth (as an impressed schoolkid and air cadet-not a pilot I might add!).
Well it really must be 6 June 1944 as I have just seen a D-Day striped Dakota fly over my office here in deepest Cranditz 3 times! Very nice!
Interesting. In the 2 years since I left the RAF, the Service has shrunk, particularly in the training system and I feel this will take some recuperation. Recruiting is ongoing but numbers are scarily small. Some new aircraft are entering or about to enter service but these are few at present. Regarding the concept of military aviation; it will, I believe, remain a crucial part of future warfare and peacekeeping by nation states that can afford it but “wars of choice” will be interesting given recent campaigns. Military operations can be simply described as the product of a nation turning wealth into kinetic energy. Such energy production unfortunately takes much blood and treasure and, to quote the Chinese saying, “if the campaign is long, then the coffers will be empty.” One more quote from those who live on the other side of the North West Frontier, “You westerners have all the clocks, but we have all the time.”
Thanks for your kind comments Inkworm. Here is what you are after – a colour close-up of the CFS crest on the nose of a Gnat. Actually XR534 at Little Rissington on 25th August 1968.
So what would you call this then?
“Little Rissington Badge” (Cannot work out how to attach the chuffing thing)
A fake. (Or more likely an unauthorised badge.)
Why do I think this? Because all the research I have undertaken over the years to find a unit badge for RAF Little Rissington has drawn a blank. Official records state that a badge was never authorised. However the badge shown purporting to be RAF Little Rissington is a striking likeness of the official badge of No 3 Flying Training School (the remains of which are now at Cranwell). The only difference being that the motto of 3 FTS is “Achieve” written in English whereas the motto of the “Little Rissington” Badge is in latin and translates (very roughly to me!) as “Atlas makes you ready.”
This link below describes RAF unit and sqn heraldry and shows the 3 FTS badge. Little Rissington’s lack of an authorised badge is also stated on the same site.
http://www.rafweb.org/FTS.htm
However, no research is infallible and it is quite possible that the official records and other references that I have consulted are wrong. I would be delighted if the badge you have illustrated is “gen.” Where did you find it?
After CFS arrived at Little Rissington in 1946 the CFS badge was omnipresent anyway and was displayed on aircraft, the main gates and on all correspondence.
Wow – thats amazing. Thanks for posting.
Indeed, a fantastic photographic album of aeronautical engineering!
Lovely to see this, especially the day after attending an RAF BofB Dining in Night!
🙂 Superb ,what else can you say.
I agree entirely; superb indeed!
This afternoon ITV1 was showing an old Bond movie (Dr. No the first one, from 1962). In between, there were the usual commercial breaks. In EVERY commercial break between 3pm and 6pm was an recruitment ad urging viewers to inquire about “a career in the RAF”
Two questions
One, if the RAF is making hundreds (if not thousands) redundant, why are they running recruitment ads?
Two, with unemployment currently at 2.5 million, a possible “double dip” recession going on, the stock market collapsing, surely the best “recruiting sargeant” is unemployment (or the threat of it)?
If you join the forces, then there is (or was) guaranteed employment for at least three years; a good thing to have in these uncertain times!
OK, back on topic: if we’re talking about keeping “historic postwar/cold war jets” flying, then surely there has to be a place for the HARRIER?
After all, if you argue that that Battle of Britain could not have been won without the Spitfire, then the Falklands War could not have been won without the Harrier. Doesn’t that make it an “historic” aircraft worthy of a RAF Memorial Flight?
I’m really sorry to stay off topic briefly but, as you might expect, the Armed Forces HAVE to keep recruiting for a number of reasons, not least that they promote from within, they require more young people than old people and many personnel do not stay until 55 (like I did). If recruiting stops, as it did briefly in the 90s in some branches and trades, then you end up with a “black hole” of seniority and experience. The training machine also needs a constant supply of punters as, if it stops, experience tails off rapidly. The latest course to join initial officer training at Cranwell is less than 30 strong (normally 120) but some branches aren’t recruiting at all until 2012. However, the RAF needs over 2000 new faces this FY and next year it might need more. Another problem is that of disbanded trades like Painter & Finisher; the trade has gone but P&Fs are still serving without a trade structure. Very complex, morale testing, frustrating times for anyone in the Armed Forces, working with the Armed Forces (like me) or supplying the Armed Forces. However, given the fact that a country will always have an air force, either its own or an occupying one, then the future is bright (or maybe not!).
Back on topic, the Lightning for me would be a worthy RAF historic type for “official” use a la BBMF but it will not happen, there is no money.
I agree that this aircraft should be under cover, preferably at the RAF Museum at Cosford or in the Superhangar at Duxford. (Some hope!) It’s the last of its kind. It could of course happily stay at its present location if it was in a nice dry hangar. However, given the state of finanaces etc I guess it will stay where it is. I remember seeing these lumbering out of Abingdon in the early 60s; they always impressed me.
ita a disgrace, a freind told me she wanted to stay in the RAF as long as possible, its all she has ever known. She got her notice within weeks.
That’s most regrettable; but there is much more to life than the RAF even though I enjoyed it. Interestingly, most of the “blue suits” where I work at the moment can’t seem to wait to leave! They should know on 1 Sep. The world has changed of course and the idea of anyone working for the same organisation for any length of time in the 21st Century is becoming much more of an alien concept, although a military organisation is different from your avarage job, but in my view the RAF in recent years became very “civvy” with its “businessbolloxspeak” and it’s had to work hard on the “ethos and culture” stuff. The Battle of Britain Dining in Nights for example, are a relatively new idea (post 1992 for certain).
disband the BBMF if history means so little…
That is a very strong possibility, indeed, as far as I’m aware, the BBMF is “looked at” during each annual financial planning round in the MOD. So far, it has survived – mainly because it is relatively cheap and provides tremendous advertising and is a magnificent historical education tool for the RAF. The RAFAT is, of course similar and is also scrutinised but, as it flies (not so modern) jets, appeals perhaps to future aircrew and ambivalent bystanders rather than ex-aircrew and historical afficionados some of which frequent this forum. Preservation of artifacts in working order is never cheap if they are no longer doing what the manufacturer originally built them to do.
So was I…until I got news of possible redundancy the other week! It sure is a cold world out here…:(
Indeed, I’m now an MOD Civil Servant (lecturer) so I ain’t exactly secure! However, there is nothing certain, except change! Back on thread, an airworthy Lightning in the UK would be on most aviation buffs’ wish list I would think. I remember an Air Cadet Summer Camp at Wattisham in 1974 when the F3s were still in that polished metal finish – awesome!
Any chance the RAF could muddy the lines of the BBMF into a RAFHF and operate said aircraft? and take on the vulcan…..as surely theres more to celebrate about the RAF then the BoB?
It would be great wouldn’t it but these cold war jets are just too expensive, presumably why Thunder City can’t afford to keep them. I still find it amazing that the Vulcan is still flying – all credit to those who have kept it going despite the arguments for and against. There is barely enough money for current UK Defence requirements as it is. The next round of RAF redundancies will be announced on 1 Sep 11. I’m glad I retired from the Service last year!:(
I’m going tomorrow. I won’t be going to RIAT; too many compulsory attendances there previously and, like several others on this forum, I sadly have not the time or money to go to all of them. I think Duxford is the best but that is my opinion of course.