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Some relevant X-Posts from TankNet regarding.

Simon Tan
ilkim posted 06 Jul 2004 10:02 Log:

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At the end of May, the malaysian Army AD Group(GAPU) went to Tanjung Siang in Johor for a LIVEX. They brought ALL the gear, including the recently acquired Igla/Djigit and Anza MkII VHSORADS.
The highlight of the Ex was the live firings of both new systems. The results were….interesting.

Targets for both were Paraflares from a 105mm howitzer and banshee Drones fitted with Hotnose IR beacons.

The Anzas which equip 33 AD Regiment, Royal Artillery and 361 Para Battery were able to acquire and hit all the targets they fired at.

Igla on the other hand could only acquire the paraflare and could not acquire the Banshees! In fact they quit trying to fire the Igla in both MANPADS and Djigit launcher formats after these repeated failures.

The Malaysian Army uses Igla-1

Sardaukar
Cynical Finnish Elk Eating Ilk posted 07 Jul 2004 06:48 Log:

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Since my job in FDF was to work with Igla-missiles, (SA-18 and SA-16), I can probably shed some light into this.
Main reason probably is that Igla’s auxiliary seeker channel that is designed to work on area sensitive to flares and such, thus to block them away, will block the beacon wavelenght.

There is constant confusion on net which missile is the latter and which former One with button on lauching device to override IR ECCM is the latter It’s large rubber covered button on left side of launching device, not the small one in missile tube itself..which is used to select between closing targets and targets that are moving away.

Using the latter variant (which we call ItO 86M) in test-firing is bit complicated, since it was hard to find suitable decoys, not to mention expensive. Earlier variant, ItO 86 is no longer in use, last been fired in excercise 2003 and then rest decommissioned. ItO 78 (SA-7 Strela) was decommissioned in late 90’s.

Cheers,

M.S.

swerve
Self-preservation society member posted 07 Jul 2004 07:46 Log:

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So, Sardaukar, what you’re saying is that the Iglas aren’t crap, but too good to be fooled by the beacons? Nice!

Sardaukar
Cynical Finnish Elk Eating Ilk posted 07 Jul 2004 09:03 Log:

Basicly yes . Iglas are veryeasy to use and seekers are quite effective. Newer (Igla-S ?) is supposed to have even “3-colour” seeker, making it even more resistant to flares and such.

Igla has tendency to ignore targets that emit on wavelength of the secondary “seeker channel” which is adjusted to match IR jammers and flares. Thus, latter model was also equipped with switch to disengage the ECCM if necessary. We never had any problems engaging modified 132 mm rockets used as test targets.

Due to flight characteristics and having contact fuze, direct hit’s to targets that small were rare, though..and that wasn’t the point anyway…since the “corkscrew” flying path has diameter of 1 m seen from behind.

Cheers,

M.S.

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Jaguars with Desert Storm markings are the sexiest of em all.

Thanks Rudra but I already have seen the links from the MINDEF and other Indian news paper sources. I am looking for the kind of reports we got for Cope Thunder trip, serial numbers and units and information on the routes.

As far as the South Africa exercise is concerned, I have found only 2-3 thumbnail sized photos + some BW photos from Mauritius news papers.

When in South Africa the IAF also took part in the AAD 2004. Apparently the 15 min aerobatic display was rather unimpressive since it was conducted at High Altitude and a bit far from the audience 🙁 Also no aircraft were put on static display and all performances were flown directly from AFB Hoedspruit. Thus the locals were denied an opportunity to see an IL-78 in the ‘flesh’. Dunno if it were an IAF decision or the organiser’s.

Interestingly, we are yet to hear of any news of Canberra retirement in the IAF.

Harry, “KP-3106” and “KP-312” look out of place. Any idea when these was acquired.

Jagan, about from the Lynxes which are the other designated recce squadrons?

I doubt the IAF is ever going to have more than the existing strength of 3 MiG-29 Sqns in the force, but what bothers me most these days is the lack of movement on upgrading the same. Apart from one-two lines in the MoD annual report saying that the program was being initiated I have not seen any other public announcement.

There is much scope for a jump in capabilities in IAF’s MiG-29Bs – cockpit, ECM/EW, IFR and a new radar needed. Perhaps many systems can be common with IN aircraft.

With new Pak F-16s in the horizon it would make sense to upgrade the Mirage with systems that could serve as a model for a possible 120 aircraft deal.