People love eyeballing man.
The “Mk1 Eyeball” is a most famous RCS measurement equipment… On the other hand he did show a pair of RCS charts, and those made me a bit curious.
Actually, he’s right, there are numerous RCS issues with the PAK FA from the front and side aspects, very large ones. Some rely on technology developments, others require a complete departure from the classic design used.
Hate to say it, but he’s partially correct here. There’s not many reasons why the PAK FA would have a frontal RCS lower than a “clean” superhornet. There are numerous issues with the T-50’s front aspect that require technology advances and aerodynamics changes to fix (I’m not talking about the engines).
From the side, naturally its better than the super. Not better than the J-20 from the side or F-35 from front and side, and not better than the F-22 and YF-23 from any aspect.
Sample comparison of small lower fuselage cross sections of the F-22 (left) and T-50. You can ignore the dBSM values (values aren’t shown anyway) that don’t take materials into account, but as the samples are to scale, it shows the effectiveness of the simple and regularly shaped F-22 against radars to the side and below the aircraft (effectively all radars for the two aircraft in this sample due to their high operating altitudes).
Wait a second, are you seriously saying that those two RCS charts are an “apples to apples” comparison between the “lower fuselage cross sections of the F-22 (left) and T-50”!
You had access to confidential documents from LM/USAF and Sukhoi and stuck them in a public forúm?!
Right.
The Swedes are clearly far more advanced than the Russians.
Undoutebly.
SAAB in 1988 was more advanced than Sukhoi in January 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
Ok, end of discussion…
They couldn’t manage to redesign the Flanker that into a version that uses both S-ducts and has internal bays of the size needed, plus of course the cost and complexity of mass producing an S-duct equiped fighter.
And Boeings JSF proposal was a dismal failure from the start and was only kept in the game for so long so it would appear there was a competition.
What the hell has the Flanker to do in this discussion?!
And what´s the “complexity of mass producing an S-duct equiped fighter”?! The Swedes did it with ease in 1988.
And what leds you to believe that the Boeing proposal was a “dismal failure” on its frontal RCS? Because thats what we are discussing here…
Have been following the JSF program since its inception and never even seen one single line criticising Boeing´s aproach to RCS reduction.
With those big engine faces in clear sight there is no hope of matching the F-22 or even F-35 RCS. BTW, the B-2 had treated fan blades for RCS reduction yet it still NEEDED S-duct inlets, i’ll leave you and the kiddy from Cataclysm to figure that one out.
Sukhoi trialed S-ducts in the S-47 Berkut with the specific aim of reducing the frontal RCS of the aircraft, they´ve abandon that solution for their next go at an advanced fighter, they should have good reasons for that.
By the way, Boeing X-32 JSF proposal:

The F.3s have been retired, my best mates Dad works at Tabuk and they went in Part-Ex for the Tiffies
Ok, thanks for the correction.
I believe the Saudis retired their F.3’s when the Tiffies arrived.
The Phoons replaced the F-5E.
AARGM is slated for Blk6 already. If the UK (or someone else) wants to throw more money at it I am sure they could accelerate the timeline.
“AARGM”
Just love the name!

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The main capability holiday is SEAD, ALARM retires with GR4 as far as I am aware. There have been talk of some METEOR variant but I see a capability holiday as more likely. Other options is to:
a) Develop new missile.
b) Integrate HARM on Typhoon
c) Adopt SAGEM AASM Hammer, its already being integrated on Saudi Typhoon and the French use it in the SEAD role.
d) Accept capability holiday and then adopt the AGM-88E Advanced Anti Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM) on the F35B.
Hmmm, SAGEM AASM Hammer for SEAD/DEAD?
It does the trick, but look bellow.

Case solved?
Cheers
You are allowed 😉
But you have to drink warm English ale for a week in the squadron bar!
Nice, where do i sign? 😀
Another interesting twist to this story, has anyone computed how many fj sqn´s will the RAF field around 2020?
In my own computations the very best scenario is seven active, one OCU (all Phoon´s) plus “something” looking like a pre IOC JCA sqn… In my worst computations the RAF ends up with five active sqn´s and one OCU!
Six years ago the RAF was planing for something around 14/16 FJ sqn´s in that time frame.
Can we go back to ” UK/France future combat aircraft studies confirmed”?
It has an competitor for F-35 too…
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dsei-turkish-cruise-missile-design-breaks-cover-362026/
?!
The Turkish SOM weight´s 6X more than the MBDA Spear III…
We were taught a painful lesson during the Falklands war regarding aircraft range, it appears our top brass have not learned it.
Hmmm, the top brass got rid of Jag´s and Harriers in order to maintain the Tornado GR4 (and CASOM) fleet operational…
So who will take over the storm shadow ? Typhoon ? F35B ? Both ?
Probably both.
Aren’t they a bit short leged compared to the tornado for deep strike ? (one drop 1000L tank for the typhoon and 0 with the F35 when carrying the storm shadow)
Yes. A simple solution would be CFT´s for the T3A Phoon´s but… Snow in Ougadougou, etc, etc…
Since MBDA does not have a 500kg class (think JSOW) internal standoff weapon, maybe they could partner with the Turkish SOM team? Also, SOM is already working on UAI so that would give MBDA a headstart in that area.
It could happen IF a possible customer forked out the cash, but i doubt it. GB seems to go with only three ATG PGM´s Spear/EPW/CASOM, Germany dont want to spend a dime and Diehl would cry “bloody murder” seeing their glided bombs portfolio being passed over by something coming out of MBDA, whatever France chooses (if anything) will be directly based on Sagem´s Hammer, that leaves… Saudi Arabia? If the rumours are true they went Sagem´s way for the Phoons and whatever the Eagles do carry will be american…
Dont think that MBDA will field anything for the foreseable future on that “niche”.
Cheers