Sintrahttps://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ge…-idUKKBN1E523Q
Let’s see if politics trump military requirements again.
Entirely possible, yes.
That the German MOD and the German Industry will have a massive say in whatever new kit the luftwaffe will receive is entirely normal. That happens everywhere, remember the USAF KCX program?
If the Adla created a draft for an entirely LO platform to replace the Mirage 2000D´s in 2025 they would get the midle finger from the MOD and the Senat. The RAF got away with the JSF because a) the offered deal by being a tier one partner was great and b) the kit had to fly from POW and QE.
The options will be around a) stretching the Tornado lifeframe and getting a new “German/European” thingy by the (very) late thirties, b) getting the F-35A to replace the Tornado and a new “German/European” thingy by the early fourties for the Phon replacement and c) getting Typhoons now and a new “German/European thingy by the early fourties for the Phon replacement”.
Option a) the Economy Ministry will love it, the industry can live with it and the Luftwaffe will cry “bloody murder”
Option b) the Economy Ministry will hate it, the industry will hate it, i suspect that two thirds of the Bundestag (including a great big chunk of the Government) will hate it (and the acquisition will have to pass the Bundestag) and the Luftwaffe will love it
Option c) the Economy Ministry will hate it, the industry will love it, the Bundestag and the government (minus the economy ministry) will live with it and the Luftwaffe will live with it
Dont have a clue what will they choose, if we were discussing this five years ago, option d) disband the Tornado Sqns, would be the hot favorite, but not today.
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SintraIf German airforce can let its own Tornado to be integrated with the specific command systems required for nuclear delivery in1980s,
The B61-12, the latest version is being integrated now.
SintraIt would require the release to the US of the entire source code of the aircraft to integrate the specific command systems required for nuclear delivery.
I don’t see that happening.
In what way would the integration of the B-61/12 be particulary diferent from the one on the Tornado that is ocurring right now?
And what more information would Eurofighter would have to release versus the one that was available to Raytheon for the AIM-120B/C or for Northrop Grumman for the Litening III/Rover integration work?
I´ve seen severall industry sources stating that it would be an identical program to the one for the Tornado/B61-12 integration being done today.
The main problem with the Luftwaffe B61 capability seens to be political around the nuclear mission itself, not technical.
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SintraAnything on the BAE Hawks?
The package was suposed to include a sqn of Hawks.
SintraDid not knew they actually signed for the F15
Then that makes it 24+12 Rafales+24 Typhoons=60+36 F15 =96 fighters…. for a country slightly bigger than Creta , whose AF is/was composed of 1500 personals top this far.
Its completely bonkers.
Reminds Khadafi in the eighties when he went on a massive acquisition spree, so much in fact that the Libyan armed armed forces didnt have the manpower to use the hardware.
Sintra-In Switzerland, Air Chief of Staff refering to one of the unpublished report stated that for training & maintenance the difference was significative between the two.
No he did not, he specificaly said this:
“Moreover, he added, the unpublished reports on maintenance and training did not rate the Eurofighter any better than the Rafale. “The spares are possibly cheaper because of the large number of aircraft, but it’s a very manpower-intensive aircraft,” he said.”
You´ve translated “did not rate the Eurofighter any better than the Rafale”, into “training & maintenance the difference was significative between the two”, two very diferent things.
One would reasonably assume that EF total cost of ownership would be higher. Source on the previous page post 2064#
No one would “reasonably” assume anything on that particular comment.
SintraFact is that in two competitions the Typhoon was deemed more expensive, deals structure were vastly different but both came to the same result.
It was? I remember the Indian competition stating so, dont remember the Swiss MOD saying so. Can you point the data please?
Sintrabut when you have a decent mid-range reflex camera, and a decent mid-range lens, if you have a decent upgrade budget for one item and can choose between getting the best camera or the best lens… if you know what you’re doing, you go always for the best lens.. your picture will be much better with a top of the range lens and medium sensor than the opposite
Its a bit more nuanced.
That was entirely correct on the age of film, it was pretty much a mantra on those days.
Today, that kind of comparison is heavily dependent on what type of sensor upgrade that we are talking about. An example you can pick the new 75 mm f:1.25 Noctilux at twelve thousand euros a piece, stuck it on a Leica M8 and the results will be vastly inferior to whatever piece of glass that you´ve stuck on a Leica M10, the sensor of this last one is so stageringly superior that more than offsets whatever gains of the (stupidly expensive, on its own its more expensive than an M-10 and a Summarit 75 f2.5) lens.
By rule if there´s a diference of one generation of sensors, you are entirely correct, better buy glass, if the camera is an old one (two or more sensor generations) by comparison with the state of the art, it might not be a bad idea to acquire a new camera (massively dependent on how good the sensor was/his).
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ps – Sorry for the off topic, cameras and lenses are a great big part of my “joy times” for the last three decades
SintraRECO-NG is the same as DB-110 on F-16
Its the first time that i´ve seen any connections between the Thales RECO-NG and the UTC DB-110. Aint you mixing the Adla/MN´s pod with the RAF´s RAPTOR?
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SintraAdvanced EOTS looks like it’s on par with RecceLite XR.
But the RecceLite equipped Typhoon was ranked way lower than Gripen and Rafale which both feature dedicated recce pods.
Without dedicated recce equipment, F-35 and Typhoon will again score the lowest against Gripen, Rafale and SH.
In 2008 both the Typhoon and the Gripen offered the exact same Reccelite pod and were ranked at an almost identical level (Gripen 5.38, Typhoon 5.14, both way below the Rafale at 7.57), i imagine that the diference between the two would have been a direct relation to how much advanced the integration work had been by the time of the Swiss tests.
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SintraI was not aware Argentine Mirage IIIs “shredded” ANY Sea Harriers during the Falklands war. Especially with it highly unimpressive BVR capability’
Neither you, nor anyone else.
SHAR’s were attacked with the MATRA 530 and the MATRA 550 (not the “Super 530”) but the missile was so unreliable and the shots were so off the target that the British pilots were in doubt of what they were seing (the AAMs failed the targets by hundreds of meters, they dived into the sea a “couple of miles” from the Harriers).
The two paragraphs of that text wall that mention the Falklands conflict are a compilation of… not particularly well researched “facts” (only one SHAR lost to AAA, the other loss was to a Roland SAM on an entirely diferent day, and so on).
Sintrathey signed also for the batches they, in the end, cancelled… when the Typhoon gets that stuff, it will be fine, until then…
You are being obtuse on purpose, the Kuwaitis aircraft’s have already started being built, that includes the AESA radar, all the other capabilities that i’ve listed are being delivered between late last year and 2019.
SintraI´ll be damned!
It seems that the Qataris are actually going to acquire Phoon´s (and Hawk´s)!
Strike eagles, Rafale´s and Phoons! Madness…
“I would not like to speculate on the exact date it will be signed. … We have concluded all of our discussions, we have no more negotiations to do with the Qataris, the contract is done. It’s purely down to when there is the right window to have it signed,” Chris Boardman, the managing director of BAE Systems’ military air and information business, told the British Parliament’s Defence Select Committee on Tuesday.
SintraBut at this very moment, no longer being produced
Didnt LM took the production line from Forth Worth to somewhere else?
Found it, “Greenvile”, South Carolina.
SintraI think the F-16V with CFTs, AESA, ESM, etc is a good option and is flying today (as opposed to the “advanced” super Hornet).
It is, two things might be against it, a) “F-104 ASA syndrome” (last chaps to acquire a platform and so on) and b) if i remember correctly (read it a long time ago) one of the things that sunk the Viper offer in the nineties was its landing and take off performance, but that was a long time ago (i might be incorrect), i have the idea that LM didnt offer the Viper (or was not asked to offer) in 2008 because of this.
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