If we get back to the original thread:

Crusader as an export alternative to F-104:

Europe was not looking for a gun-fighter; hence F-8 could not cut it. That it later got missiles was something else.

Europe may have missed an opportunity i terms of European manufacture of this order. It was substantial: 2,500 F-104’s.

What would it have done to Europe if it had gone to Saab Vigen? Mirage? What did UK have to offer at that time? Maybe a totally new concept? As I understand it (and I stand to be corrected), it was at that time the first thoughts of F-14/15 started out, meaning new concept.
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The Viggen wasnt available at that time.

AFAIK the European planes that were evaluated were a project from Sauders Roe, the SR177 and the Dassault Mirage IIIC (never heard of a Draken offer, but its highly probable that it was, at least evaluated on a theoretical base).

It would have been helpful to remove the pathetic OT rant posted above the warning.

Back on topic, so we can safely say it’s not as expensive as the F-22 but it is more expensive than the F-35 it seems. Either way its been a real disaster for the RAF. I remember people claiming it only cost £45 to £55 million a few years back too.

If we are talking about the cost of producing one single fighter without development costs (something similar to the American concept of the Fly Away Unit Cost”) those numbers seems in line with Enzo Casolini (Eurofighter CEO) declarations, of 58/59 million Euros for each T3A Phoon.

4. RSAF has already bought 24 Tranche II fighters from RAF ~ Doesn’t it make any compensation for the cost over-run of RAF’s Typhoon project ??

You have hit a very big “poopppoooh” in the head.
I´ve been crossing the official declarations of the MOD for each of the three tranche contracts and them comparing it with the NAO report and there might be a very decent story for a British Aerospace journo in there.
I am almost sure that the NAO forgot that 24 fighters were diverted for Saudi Arabia.
NAO used the total costs of the three tranche contracts between NETMA and the British MOD and didnt subtract the money payed by Saudi Arabia to the British government for those 24 fighters.

I have and it confirms what the register and everyone else says. Show me the math that says otherwise.

UK National Audit Office (http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/1011/management_of_typhoon_project.aspx)- Page 26

British MOD Typhoon program (assessment, development,production and upgrade costs) – 22950 million Pounds/ 37321,29 million US Dolars
British MOD Typhoon Unit Cost (assessment, development,production and upgrade costs) – 22950 million Pounds/ 160 = 143,4375 million pounds or 233,258 million US dolars by fighter

USA Defence DPT (http://www.acq.osd.mil/ara/am/sar/SST-2010-06.pdf) Page 5

USAF Raptor program (assessment, development,production and upgrade costs) – 66714,1 million US dollars
USAF Raptor Unit Cost – 66714,1 million US dollars / 188 = 354,86 million US Dollars by fighter

You cant more official than this…
Were you were comparing the Fly Away unit Cost of the Raptor versus the total unit program cost of the Typhoon?

Funny that, I could ask the very same thing about your claims that two foreign wars have had caused the problems. Remember the expenses for those wars did not come out of the defense budgets.
I can only guess I touched a nerve mentioning foreign aid.

The expenses of those two wars did came from the defense budget… While there the Treasury reserve has been used every year, a great big part of the A´stan and Iraq operations were indeed suported by the MOD.

RIP.

So, according to the NAO’s report, the unit cost of RAF’s EF-2000 today:

1. R&D cost + Acquisition cost = 20.2 billion pound (roughly equal to 31.5 billion USD) / 160 = 126.25 million pound / 196.95 million USD per fighter.

2. R&D cost + Acquisition cost + Whole-life operational cost = 37.0 billion pound (roughly equal to 57.7 billion USD) / 160 = 231.25 million pound / 360.75 million USD per fighter.

Not quite

R&D cost + Acquisition cost + upgrades cost = 20.2 billion pound (roughly equal to 31.5 billion USD) / 160 = 126.25 million pound / 196.95 million USD per fighter.

2. R&D cost + Acquisition cost + Whole-life operational cost = 37.0 billion pound (roughly equal to 57.7 billion USD) / 160 = 231.25 million pound / 360.75 million USD per fighter.

Page 26 (http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/1011/management_of_typhoon_project.aspx)

Cheers