The average sell price of a herc 130J is about $60M, the cheapest A400 will be $136M. .

The average price sell of a “Juliete” is about $60M?!!!!!
Not by a very, very, very lOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNGGG shot…
There´s a HUGE diference between prices quoted by Lock Mart executives and the real pay check that the client´s, at least the foreign ones, have been signing.
Just look at the Norwegian, Canadian, Italian, Denmark, “whatever” deals…
When i saw the Canadian C-130 J program costs, i couldn´t believe my eyes, 2.85 Billion US$ for 17 planes, AND another 1,51 Billion US$ for suport and spares.
Looking at these numbers, the A400M starts to look as a very “economical” plane.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/canadas-cc130s-to-fail-in-3-years-4b-rfp-for-replacements-updated-01529/

There is a long difference between been a “mockup” and “never have fly”.

Izdeliye 172S-1 (K-100-1), better said, its initial design flight as unguided (rocket test, telemetry test) in the 90s, and R&D have been continued since early 2000, with GNPO Agat researching the “Shayba” seaker head for it (and you have just to look at the different number of JMR articles on the issue the last two years, mainly this one)

That applies pretty well in my book as “under research” and not exactly just a CAD/CAE idea (that would be just feasibility study, and early one!)

And again, why in hell we would want to attack Brazilean boys at all?, stop to dream, we don’t care about the Brazileans, or at least, don’t care about you as much as you care about us 😮 😀

As per the arguments here, nice and fine…no matter of how much correct or false they’re.

Do you have any source for those unguided “rocket” tests?
Everything that I´ve read till today (and it´s a lot) tell´s me that they didn´t happen (but I admit that i might be wrong).
And yes, I have been reading about the Agat seeker for the KS-172, let me see, hmmm, for the last 14 year´s? In my book that´s not “under research”, it´s “we don´t have the money to develop the dam thing, so were trying, hard, to sell the concept to the Indian´s, who in 2004 ALMOST bought the idea”…
And again, I´m from the other side of the “pond” (Atlantic).

Cheers 😉

… and the last thing South America needs is a local arms race.

Do you have any idea how much money the venezuelan government has spent in arms in the last three year´s?

Venezuela, right now, his the second largest Russian arms recipient.

Since 2005 the Venezuelan´s have signed contracts for 24 SU-30MKV, 5 kilos SSK´s, dozens and dozens of Mi-17, Mi-26, Mi-35, 100.000 Kalashnikov´s, etc, etc, etc, etc… The last contract was a 3 Billion US dolars for fighter jet´s and helicopter´s. On top of that they signed with Spain a 1,5 Billion Us Dolar worth of OPV´s, corvettes and military transport aircraft.
And the worst part is that there´s no sign that this military “Christmas spending spree” his slowing down, quite the oposite. There´s every reason to believe that another batch of Flanker´s will be acquired, another four Amur SSK , etc, etc, etc…

Military “threat” perception.
Hugo Chavez,the Venezuelan President, recently, threatened a military intervention in Bolivia, right on the Brasilian border. He´s on the record for saying that Venezuela will create a “million men army”… In the beggining he was taken for a “lunatic”. After signing contract after contract of fighter jet´s, SSK´s, ship´s, guns, etc, etc, Brasil and every country who has a frontier with Venezuela, his starting to see Mr Chavez rant´s as something “deadly serious”.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4682488.stm

Please tell me, what the hell should the Brasilian government do, when his northern neighbour is spending oil money on Russian arm´s like there´s no tomorrow… Nothing?!!!:rolleyes:

Says who…you? :rolleyes:

If I remember well, Mikhail Pogosyan in December 2006…
The KS-172-1 was never flown, it´s a cardboard weapon.
But if you have ANY proof that I´m wrong, I´l be more than happy to acknolege my wrong assumptions…
Of course that it would a bit strange that such a weapon had passed such an important development step without one single RUMOUR, let alone any press conference.

I was forgeting, i´m not Brazilian, i don´t have a nationalist bias in this question…

F-5BR? Are you serious? Su-30 Mk with R-77 is more than capable of handling them. The eyerie though is potent threat.

One SU30MKK (V) against two to three BVR shooter´s fully networked backed up by a Erieye fleet and a full ECM, C4I, ground radar network, and 150 hours/year flight time for every Brazilian pilot…
Good luck to the venezuelans.

Really?? Brazil with all its hand me down dozen mirages will out fly, out sortie and shoot down flankers? What do you think the flankers are F-15’s that blow themselves up?:rolleyes:

No, Broncho

They would “swamp” the Flanker´s with dozens and dozens of F5BR, backed up by a very good network of AEW R-99 and ground radar´s. That´s a much tougher oponent than 12 “hand me down” MIRAGES.
The F5BR equiped with the “Derby”, Python IV, Grifo, HMD DASH, and a very nice data-link is nothing to laugh about, as the French discovered in the latest Cruzex exercises…

Cheers 😉

Could you name a fighter equivalent to the F 16 blk. 60?

In the air-air arena?

Well, a VERY obvious RAPTOR…:diablo:
Still on the subject, any variant of the MKI/MKM, the Typhoon, the USAF AESA equiped “Eagle´s”, or even the RAFALE, are MORE than a match to the Block60. 😉

Are u sure?
In may 2007 Turkey signed a deal for 30 F-16 block50+ for 1.78 bln $.

It’s worth noting that the initial offer to Morocco from Dassault was 18 Rafale for 2 bln€. After the LM offer, Dassault proposed 12Rafale+12 M2000 for 2 bln €.
At the end Dassault arrived to offer 24 Rafale (brand new or not, who knows?) for 2 bln€.

Eagle is correct, the original story (in french) speak´s of used F16´s… We are talking of old airframes, not BLOCK 50/52 plus.
And no, the USAF it´s not going to sell their latest Viper´s.
But until I see something in the FMS about a possible sale to Morocco I am not going to give any credit to this “sale”.