Given that the Meteor is a fixed inlet air breather with a one-way datalink & non-GPS INS, it stays relatively low.
It has a two way datalink, it uses a variable internal duct, its flight profile acording to severall MBDA public documents is freakingly high by comparison with its ancestor (the Matra MICA) and the GPS thingy is interestingly absent from the likes of the Standard SM2 and its being introduced in the SM6 for the anti land role.
What im saying is that the current full spec FA-50, with radar, rwr, datalink etc is capable to do 90% of what the gripen c/d can do.
If you´ve specificaly mentioned the QRA and Air Police mission on Austria, i agree with you, if not, its more like 10%.
And if the Austrians are interested in a secondary Recon capability (wich it seems they are) and a BVR one…
Getting back to the TA-50, compared to a saab 105OE, it would hav no issues doing peacetime missions checking out unresponsive airliners, private jets etc.
Austria is place with 4000 meters plus peaks all over the place and some very vicious weather in more than half of the year, i am quite sure that an internal radar is a Österreichische Luftstreitkräfte requirement for the QRA job.
That number could be had for about usd 700-800 million.
Throw in the costs of training, logistical suport, etc, for a handfull of airframes that the nearest operator is on the other side of the planet and throw in the costs of integrating a BVR weapon (thats not cheap, it can easily go to a 200 to 300 million US$ bill) and sudenly it might not be so cheap.
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Italy just joined the CAAM program, its Navy will be the launch customer for the CAAM-ER.
Thats the fifth user for a weapon thats not even in service! Good job MBDA.
Or put another way… “neocon” was -never- synonymous with “far right,”
True, the original “Neo Cons” were actually ex democrats who turned right, mainly in Foreign Policy. Some of their latest incarnations ended up in places that looked suspiciously like some sort of “Imperialism-lite”, but their hold on the USA Foreign Policy ended a decade ago, its a “non thing” today.
Well, as what you precieve as “left” i wouldn’t called left Democrates or Republicans. Just Neo-Conservative through and through. CNN is not a “left” Channel. Its Sure a Democrates Channel, but with a Neo-Cons angle nevertheless.
Part of Neo-Concervative is America first, over all and everything at whatever cost.
Just as Fox News here..
You Muricans don’t even have a freakin grasp about what Left is, you never had. Left is what the Sosial parties in several Eruopean(Scandinavian) countries have.
sometimes called Red Commies parties.. which show how ignorant Neo-Cons views many US people have.
A “Neo—Con” is a very particular part of the American right, once upon a time it was firmly entreched on the US Government, in Bush Juniors days, today whats left of the “Neo-Con” fringe doesn’t have any influence, a great big chunk of their main thinkers ended up in “never Trump land”
Surreal, truly surreal argument. This is akin to a Chinese national claiming China has access to Apple proprietary technology because the IPhone is assembled there.
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Thanks mrmalaya and thanks mupp.
I quite like the idea of a common airframe, common engine and national systems. It sort of worked out with the Jaguar.
ps- The comments on the article of day 20 (the one that its not behind the pay wall) are freeking unbeliavable, of the type that makes the worst trolls around here seem like well thought out decent chaps!
@ Y-20
I think its the Mig 29 chassis under there.
Facepalm
The FCAS team has chosen the planform and engine.
And i dont know what they´ve chosen because the article released today is behind a pay wall at Aviation week…
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How do you figure?
A Taurus is 1400 kg. Even if they went with the lighter 1060 kg Taurus 150, which hasn’t been sold afaik, that’s still to heavy for the outer wing pylons. They’re rated under 1000 kg I think.
Doesn’t matter though as even 2 lighter Taurus, 3 tanks and 2 AAMs would be more than 5100 kg. You’re looking at 2 tanks and 2 cruise missiles maximum, if those missiles can be carried under the fuselage.
You are right, shody maths on my side
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Not necessarily. RuMOD has always been waiting for the AESA to be ready, it has just taken so long that the first several MiG-35 pre-serials flew with Zhuk-M2. Previously it was mentioned by AF officials that the first batch would be bought with the Zhuk-M as a stop gap, but then again this is Izvestiya, which has been wrong before.
Thanks, thats sensible and entirely possible.
Supposedly, MiG-35 for RuAF will have AESA and be powered by RD-33MK (not MKM?) with TVC;
I dont read Russian, but doesnt that contradicts this:
Although it was previously offered to India with Phazotron-NIIR Zhuk-A AESA radar, the Russian military preferred the less-advanced Zhuk variant with slotted array. It can track up to 30 airborne targets at a range of 99 mi. (160 km)
http://aviationweek.com/defense/mig-has-big-hopes-mig-35-fighter
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So the reality remains that the Gripen E is still an expensive low performance alternative to a brand new F-16 or F/A-18.
In the last decade there was one single Viper deal with unit costs aproaching what the Brasilians paid and what the Swiss were offered by SAAB for the Gripen E, it was the 2016 offer to Pakistan for eight Vipers (http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-pakistan-f-16-block-52-aircraft), in that particular business the only thing that was bought were the airframes, no training, manuals, logistic suport, whatever, .
Every single other Viper or SH proposed sale surpassed by quite a decent margin the Brasilian and Swiss SAAB offers.
Some of them:
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/oman-f-16-aircraft
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/iraq-f-16-aircraft-0
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-kuwait-fa-18ef-super-hornet-aircraft-support
And while i would caution in making direct comparisons between deals to diferent countries, in this particular case we have the actual Boeing offer to Brasil, the one that lost to SAAB:
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/brazil-fa-18ef-super-hornet-aircraft
Its not merely more expensive, its vastly more expensive and with the caveat that the aircrafts would be assembled in the USA.
I am not aware of one single obvious public available document that clearly makes a case for the Swedish aircraft to be “expensive” by comparison with the Viper and/or Super Hornet.
So most of its advertised performance cannot be performed at the same time.
That happens with every fighter aircraft in the market.
Supercruise only when it is very cold and lightly loaded. Full weapons load only with very low fuel quantity. Full fuel only when lightly loaded with weapons. So it is much better just to get a new F-16 rather than something like this.
If we stick a Gripen E with every single bit of internal fuel, we´ll get 5.1 tons of external load till MTOW, thats plenty enough to get something like three external fuel tanks, a pair of Taurus LFK and two AAM´s. More than enough for almost everyone. And the Gripen has some quite obvious advantages over the Viper and the SH (just like they have their own strenghts).
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Thanks again Hallo
Thanks Hallo
One question, the F4 is going to field “THE” IFDL (more or less something based on what the Raptor uses) or “a” IFDL? And if its this last one (and i supose that it is), will it be using common standards to the rest of NATO (the ones that are being discussed now)?