The MLU are not really F-16A anymore. They are “small mouth” aircraft with less powerful engines, but with added equipment to make them comparable to a block 50.
But lighter (7,5 tons clean weight) than any of the (multiple) variants of Viper C.
Cheers
The way I see it is that western citizens, after having watched their news for years while being unable to understand russian, are already used to a certain level of general anti-Russian sentiment.. Now I can imagine that dealing with english-speaking RT must be quite a shock for them..
Well, now you know what an average Russian feels like when watching BBC 🙂
NO
Its not that. Its not the critics over the West that grates me, its the entirely, bloody obvious government message that pervades the news.
Just like i despise the likes of Breitbart´s, i also despise the PRAVDA´s.
Ask yourself, how would fare a Russian Martin Mcguinness, a Nicholas Sturgeon or a Nigel Farage in RT´s?
That is just bunk. RT has lots of interactive shows where the position against Russia is shared openly. Crosstalk and Worlds Apart are shows with guests that disagree with Russias view all the time.
RT´s Cross Talk?!
The two that i´ve saw, the host did its utmost to entirely discredit the critics!
I might have seen the wrong episodes but…
ps – For christ sake, i´ve just seen two more, its bleeding ridiculous, its “Putinism” at its most obvious.
RT´s Cross talk its the perfect example of what i´ve been talking about:
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/370704-western-elites-blame-russia/
That’s nice, but roughly as relevant as if Russian BBC outlet got an official warning by Russian authorities for its lack of impartiality.. 🙂 What makes you think that exactly the British version of events is the “official” one and the Russian version an “alternative” one is beyond me.. :confused:
A very decent way of judging the impartiality of a media outlet, specialy a State sponsored one is the ability/frequency of articles in wich the Government or policies of said State are put in question in that media outlet. BBC does it, RT doesnt.
Google “BBC lambasting UK government” and then google “RT lambasting Russia government” (or something similar), then look at what happens.
Its mightily impressive, and hats off to the Brits.
ps- Today, right on top of the BBC news site was a video with the title “UK Foreign Office ‘got Syria wrong”, the description text was “A former British ambassador to Syria has said the British Foreign Office has got “Syria wrong every step of the way”…
Mercurius I admire your patience (and your knowledge and experience ) ,unfortunately what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away …
Same here
he might say rafale eater, but he’s really shooting down typhoons
There were no Typhoons in Frisian Flag 2008. But there were Rafales.
The kill marking on T-38 fusalege belong to the F-22 and F-16:
After 1 hour of Google Fu. Turn out some 4.5 generation aircraft got even lamer defeat than F-35. Do you know that F-4 shot down Rafale 5 times in Finisian flag ?
http://www.cavok-aviation-photos.net/FF2008.html
http://loucosporaeromodelismo.com.br/2010/11/f-4-phantom-teria-vencido-rafale-no-frisian-flag/
And a Rafale got shot down by a RAF Jaguar, two F—15’s got waxed by Chilean Hawker Hunters, Swiss F—5E’s get the best over vastly more capable adversaries on a regular base, etc, etc, etc. My point was that someone had just claimed that the F—35 has never been beaten in exercises, wich is bulls####, unless he has access to classified info.
And yes, the severall photos of T38’s with killmarks (not that just one) have been discussed to death in this fórum.
I just prove you that LM is used to bull**** simulated exercise. This program has no credibility and is alive just because of fake information and propaganda.
Yes, the General Staff of the USAF, US Navy, RAF, RAAF, IDF/AF, JASDF, ROK, etc, are a complete bunch of idiots… Think, if the program was entirely composed of smoke and mirrors do you really believe that almost every Western Air Force (with something like a “budget”) would order the dam thing?
When a first hour critic of the program like me comes here and defends the aircraft its a sure sign that the world is lost…
Here are several areas where the F-35 has proven itself better than the SH:
1. F-35 kicks every 4th gen a$$ it has come across – 0 losses
Did you had acess to the records of every exercise that the F—35A/B/C was part?
I really dont have many doubts that somewhere there is a T38 with severall F35 kill marks painted near the landing gear.
based on the responses here, it seems many want the boeing/saab model to win.
my answer is why?
Because a) the LM offer is an ugly fatso aircraft, b) Raytheon one is Soviet, c) the Northrop chaps have been pretty obnoxious by not releasing photos of a flying “T—38 and a half” and d) Boeing has released quite a lot of photos and of a pretty good looking bird.
This is a amateur aviation fórum, photos of a flying good looking bird go a long way here, expect a lot of suport for the Northrop aircraft in the future.
Cheers
The Leonardo one is already out because of it’s origin and the T-50 isn’t really that well suited for the T-X.
Hmmm, the USAF almost certainly wont give a dam that the origins of the RAYTHEON offer were a two decades old Yak design and the LM aircraft ticks every single box in the RFI.
The only thing that on top of my head could give something of a head start to Boeing is the fact that the two other main contenders have their hands full with contracted fighters and bombers. And, please, i hope that no one here starts with “Black Diamond” this or that, it did right with the KC—46, oh, wait…
Right now, no one can predict how this one is going to end, almost every one has a real chance to bag this one (with the probable exception of the “Freedom thingy”).
How much will not having a flying prototype hurt their chances?
Chances?
Two entities that never, ever, have designed and flown a jet just decided to take Boeing, LM, Northrop, Raytheon, SAAB, BAE and Leonardo head on…
Good luck to them.
This has been sounded very strange even for a country like Brazil, and I do not think the problem was with the translator for the Portuguese language, yet apparently all facts has been pointing the 36 Gripen E/F that will be delivered to Brazil would be restricted only for air defense missions, and therefore it will not be capable of attack missions.
Until recently I just thought that were rumors had been associated with the nonsensical speech about political rhetoric’s of the former Brazilian presidents , in this case that Gripen E / F would have been chosen only for air defense of the Brazil airspace, as well as the lack of interest in this moment about to equip the Gripen E/F with ground or maritime attack weapons, since for now the Brazil has been only interested in to equip the Gripen E/F with BVR and WVR air-to-air missiles.
However such important fact has been recently appeared with an interview about two Brazilian pilots that had completed the training with Gripen C/D in Sweden at F7 Satens in 2015 before the leasing of the 12 Gripen C / D as well as training of the remains 14 pilots were canceled by the Government of Brazil. Then to resume these first two pilots had been completed the training after flew 55 missions with Gripen C / D and received 50 hours in simulator, just to highlight these two pilots had extensive experience with F 5EM and Mirage 2000C/D in Brazil.
However those two pilots had been only training for air-to-air missions or air defense missions, once the Gripen C / D that would have been supplied for Brazil should have been capable only for air-to-air missions, without the capabilities for attack or reconnaissance missions.
This is totally strange once the Gripen C / D has been a multirole fighter (air defense, ground attack, anti-ship attack and reconnaissance), but in the case of Brazil the Gripen C/D would have been configured for air defense missions without attack and reconnaissance capabilities.
If this fact with the Gripen C / D had been restricted with air-air missions would not be very strange at all,then what has been making it even more stranger should be that the Gripen C / D should be the basis for pilots training until the arrival of Gripen E / F .
In fact today Brazil has a multirole fighter that are the modernized version F 5EM Tiger II, and this has been already configured even for anti-radar missions with the missile MAR 1 that has been already been exported by Brazil to Pakistan.
The Brazil has been currently using the LGB with Lightening pods from Israel in fighter-bombers AMX, as well as the F 5EM with WVR and BVR missiles for air-air missions, but the most important that Brazil has been developed an AVT 300 cruise missile that will be launched from the ground by MRLS ASTROS 2, as well as some projects of GPS / INS glide bombs, in addition to MAR 1 itself, but none of these projects has been mentioned that could be integrated in the future with the Gripen E / F. In the case of the AVT 300 cruise missile the same has been applied with the new submarines of the class Scorpene that would be constructed in Brazil.
The Gripen C/D should have been replaced the Mirage 2000C/D that were withdrawn from service in 2013, as well as the AMX and F 5EM( Gripen C/D too) will be withdrawn from service when the 36 Gripen E / F could become operational, but if the former planned 12 Gripen C / D would have been restricted for air-to-air missions until the arrival of the 36 Gripen E / F, at least it seems that Brazil doesn’t want to equip the 36 Gripen E / F with attack weapons, in this case apparently the former presidents of Brazil would have spoken the truth so far in this matters.
Face meets palm.
I archived a lengthy essay on this topic by defenseissues.net at http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Weapons_01.doc (or .pdf). The author’s conclusion was that Quantity beats Quality every day in the real world (while not so in paper and computer simulations). He also took into account the lengthy maintenance required before a high-tech plane can return to combat.
Obviously the chap didnt read history books…
Issus, Alesia, Poitiers, almost every dam colonial battle between the Portuguese, the Spanish, the British, the French, the Russians, whatever and some poor aztec, Indian, Mahrata, Zulu, whatever, almost every encounter between the IDF/AF and Arab forces, the Falklands, GW01, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
There´s no clear and definitive answer to the “quality versus quantity” debate, it can go either way.
Couldnt this topic be merged with the “normal” F-35 one?