You make it sounds like the US has a F-15 sized fleet of F-22 and readily available for deployment at all times. But no, they don’t.
Really? I “make it sounds like the US has a F-15 sized fleet of F-22 and readily available for deployment at all times”?! When did i do that?
And me thinking that the USAF fields roughly 120 combat coded Raptors, plus another roughly sixty block 10 units, wich are used for training. How many SU-27/SU-35´s fields the VVS today in active regiments?
This is exactly why they don’t give a hoot. They have developed measures against it, and thats the beauty of technology; peer states have caught up with ways to detect and deal with stealth, reducing the impact of a plane like the F-22. That’s also falls under deterrance, bub, as it is a two way street.
Either Russia doesnt “give a hoot” and ignores the Raptor or Russia “gives a hoot” and spends several billions US$ for two decades countering the dam thing, wich, by the words of an ungodly number of high ranking VVS officials and Industry chaps they did. End of story
It might have been the “be all, end all” in the late 90’s and early 2000’s, but not anymore,
OH! We have here an expert with access to classified information on the ATF, JSF, S400 and PAKFA programs! Why didnt you said so? Hell, most of us around here just read the specialiazed press for a few decades.
I am going to be blunt, you have the exact same information that i do. Your information on (lets say) the NEZ of a 9M96 versus a Raptor is zilch, nothing, nada, zero.
Sadly for the F-22, the F-35’s lobby and the political games in the US, has made sure it’s deterrence value is lost faster than usual.
The Raptor “IOC”ed in June 2006, the F-15A did the same in 1976, compare the entry service dates for their Russian equivalents, the PAK-FA and the SU-27.
At the end of the day, I’d say the B-2 and the B-21 are bigger worries for the Russians than the F-22 will ever be again.
The B2? The B-21?
There are twenty of them! With luck the USAF could put ten of the ******s flying at the same time. Right now, between the Raptor and DAVE there are around 350 airframes, untill the first B-21 gets to the sqn´s there will be around 1200/1400 F-22/35 airframes with the USAF.
Deterrence against the US as a whole and other peer states. You make it sounds like the T-50 and J-20 existance is only to copy the US and the F-22, in a very narrow and self-centered point of view.
“self-centered”? I am Portuguese, i dont have a dog in this fight.
It is even more obvious both China and Russia have different thing in mind than the F-22, when both planes have a more wider roles and capabilities from the get-go than the Raptor.
They will? Again that story about classified information.
Nevermind that the Russians have portrayed the PAK-FA has Raptor and Dave “killer” again, and again, and again, and again. How many Russian articles quoting the likes of Mikhail Pogosyan (or the last, lets say, three VVS bosses, good old Gen. Aleksandr Zelin by example) comparing the PAK-FA with the Raptor do you want? Google it, try “Pogosyan F-22″…
Thing is, a lot of people are still stuck with the 90’s F-22 propaganda push, that it could wipe out everything under the sun. It might been true 15 years ago, but nowadays is quickly becoming as impactful in the battlefield as an F-117 would be today…
And where did i mentioned that the Raptor could “wipe out everything under the sun”?
Last time i´ve checked every time that one of our most ardent american friends around here started with that talk i´ve ended up stucking photos of several Luftwaffe Phoons carrying quite a number of raptor kill marks… Ask the likes of Hopsalot, Spud or BIO.
What i´ve said is that the Raptor was built has a deterrent versus peer and near peer adversaries, that it worked its obvious, or else the Russians and the Chinese wouldnt have been throwing billions upon billions trying to counter it for the last two decades.
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