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  • in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2186450
    Sintra
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    How many times do we have to go over the same thing? What is the Rafale’s range with the same profile?

    A marketing claim that says a Rafale can fly XXX miles without providing the details isn’t useful.

    The F-16 diagram above also includes a jamming pod and a LANTIRN pod, both of which are internal on an F-16 Block 60. (which would not only reduce drag, but would allow the F-16 to add a centerline fuel tank)

    Let’s put this to rest once and for all then. In a HI-HI profile, with three 2000L external’s, six 340 kg’s AASM, an LDP, four AAM’s the RAFALE will have a combat Radii of 750 NM, the end.

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2186485
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    Hmm, I got another results. Your Gallons confuse a poor Norwegian, I prefer kg if you don’t mind:

    Rafale internal: 4700 kg
    F-16 internal: 3200 kg
    F-16 CFT: 1383 kg

    F-16 internal + CFT: 4583 kg.

    Not too different from the 4700kg of internal Rafale fuel… IMHO. In particular for the F-16 block 50/52, since it is significantly lighter than the Rafale.

    Due to the canard layout the Rafale will probably still have somewhat larger range, but I am not sure if the difference is that big. And both are still some way off the F-15 in range and carrying capacity. However if CFTs are added to Rafale it definitely starts to move closer to F-15 territory…. IMHO.

    F-16 Internal fuel source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon#Specifications_.28F-16C_Block_50.29
    F-16 CFT source http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/why-dont-new-u-s-air-force-f-16s-use-these-futuristic-1712746714

    Edit: If my math is correct the Rafale carries 2.5% more fuel internally than F-16 internal + CFT

    The main diference is that i’ve used Lockheed Martin numbers for internal fuel.
    They quote 2852 kg’s of internal fuel on LM page. Either that’s the number for the twin seater (bit strange the rest of the numbers and the image is of a single seater), or they got it wrong (it happens) or an old rumour, avionics and structural reinforcements have eaten internal space in their latest incarnations, is true (i doubt it). On top of that the Rafale has more wet external pylons.
    But let’s keep it simple, the most common operational configuration used by the Rafale, six 340 kg’s AASM, three 2000l external’s, four aam’s and an LDP has a combat radii (Hi-Hi) north of 750NM, a typical CAP configuration, three 2000l external and six aam’s has a combat radii of 920 NM, I think that this pretty much kills the discussion.

    Cheers

    in reply to: France & UK sign €2 billion UCAV deal #2186699
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    From marketed Turbine temps value, technologies and general appreciation in the press, we can assess that the M88 chore has some similar or slightly better perfs in regards to the EJ200. Hence, it won’t make a difference to use one or the other.

    The only reason that i can see for Rolls Royce to propose a variation of the EJ200 core would be to lower (massively) costs, they have been working for more than a decade on severall vastly more advanced prototypes (F-136 and ADVENT) than whatever the EJ offers.

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2186740
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    Numbers please (with source if possible) 🙂

    The basic number is ~3800 gallons of fuel (max internal and external) for the Gallic thingy at ten tons (clean) versus ~2800 gallons of fuel for the Viper (max internal and external) at between nine and ten tons (clean). (the numbers were taken from Dassault “Fox” publication, converted to gallons myself and LM specifications page)
    There are severall official combat radii diagrams out there, and while they are not exactly an Apples to Apples comparison they dont leave much doubt on the outcome.

    Cheers

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2186862
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    I am not so sure — F-16 block 52+ and/or bl. 60 with CFT may actually beat a Rafale without CFT, at least in some cases (sure the Rafale can carry more than the F-16 however it will need to carry more drop tanks due to lack of CFT)

    They don’t.

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2187036
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    I agree — what is funny is that if they make CFT to Rafale it would probably be the Western fighter that would come closest to F-15 in terms of range and carrying capacity.

    It doesn’t need the CFT’s for that, the Rafale already is the Western fighter that come closest to the Strike Eagle in terms of range and carrying capacity.

    in reply to: France & UK sign €2 billion UCAV deal #2187802
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    BAE Systems marketing mambo jambo has not much credibility I am afraid.. Taranis was never meant to be a final product ,the project is most probably abandoned and has been replaced by this one..
    They say it would be operational around 2025 and one can imagine what the Americans would have at this time ! the gap in UAV technology between Europe and the US is much bigger than many people believe …

    A) BAE has quite a bit of “credibility”
    B) “Taranis is an unmanned combat aircraft system advanced technology demonstrator programme” (taken directly from BAE´s page)
    C) “They say it would be operational around 2025”. “They” who? BAE (or Dassault) never claimed that a 2025 IOC date for a European UCAV.

    Your point?

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2187988
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    The problem of course is that the Rafale and Eurofighter are just as expensive as the F-35

    That has been repeated “ad nauseum” around here for the last few months with absolutely zero evidence suporting it.
    Untill now there were two competitions involving one of the two Eurocanards and the F-35A, on both of them, Japan and korea, the JSF was handily beaten on costs, and in one of the competitions, South Korea, Airbus offered 1/3 more airframes than LM for roughly the same amount of money.
    The F-35A MIGHT end in the same cost bracket that evolved versions of the twins by the beggining of the twenties, “might” being the correct word.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2188502
    Sintra
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    Those requirements were written specifically to ensure that only the F-35 can meet them, or play to it’s relative (unproven) strengths. They do not necessarily reflect the actual operating needs of the Canadian Air Force. The SOR were actually written well after the government had made a decision to sole source the contract. An open competition never took place. They never even properly evaluated the capabilities of the Rafale, SH, Gripen and Typhoon against those requirements.

    Actually that’s a very fair assessment.

    in reply to: USAF not F-35 thread #2188551
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    Personally, I don’t understand why they don’t simply further expand the Reaper fleet. Cheap. In-service. Not very fast but more than makes up for it with its tremendous endurance (40 hrs+). Nor is it limited by pilot fatigue levels. Arm it with the new APKWS Hydra rocket pods (instead of the Hellfire/Griffin), and the mission cost drops steeply. And if the air force brass shows some wisdom, it can be piloted by NCOs, freeing up expensive combat pilots for more relevant tasks.

    Will it be capable of CAS? With two EFTs and 52 laser guided rockets, low speed loiter capability and multiple operators on high def screens assisting… I’d say its the next best thing to an AC-130.

    Something like that had already crossed my mind, on the other hand it has a massive disadvantage, there´s a political massive clout suporting manned CAS “With a Bloody Big Gun” in Washington (if not the Warthog would have been long gone), i can imagine that if the USAF went and stated, “we are going to dump the A-10 and stuck a bigger wing in the Reaper and buy two hundred of them”, there would cries for blood on the Capitol.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2188558
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    Mmmm… are you saying something in the bit I put in bold? Like CPFH figures for F-35 are for non-combat use whereas CPFH figures for F-15/16/18 would be lower if they were not being used in combat zones?

    Yes, thats true but on the other hand the F-35 is being introduced now, that means that its CPFH is higher than it will be when it becomes an “established” type.

    in reply to: USAF not F-35 thread #2188966
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    Pentagon worried about dwindling USAF fighter numbers

    US deputy secretary of defence Robert Work has expressed concern about the size of the US Air Force’s tactical fighter force, which has dropped from 88 squadrons before the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 to just 54 squadrons today.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pentagon-worried-about-dwindling-usaf-fighter-number-422996/

    Lucky them, the RAF went from 30 to 8 sqn´s Fast Jet in the same period.
    Yep i´m being a bit sarcastic.

    in reply to: USAF not F-35 thread #2188969
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    USAF studying future attack aircraft options

    “[F-35] will be particularly capable in contested environments, like Russian doctrine where you would bring your air defences with you, because there will be a limited number of airplanes that can operate in that role,” USAF deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements Lt Gen James Holmes tells a Senate Armed Services subcommittee panel on 8 March. “It would certainly be an expensive way to go after a permissive environment mission and we hope to not have to do that, so we will look at other options.”

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-studying-future-attack-aircraft-options-422936/

    I almost stuck this piece in the JSF topic because it has quite an impact on that program. If this goes forward (and in my opinion it should), that might mean something like two to three hundred F-35A getting slashed from the USAF orders right there.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2188981
    Sintra
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    No new input AFAIK. I don’t know where you checked from, but this is from the last SAR report –

    http://i.imgur.com/yymNpJE.jpg

    Vnomad, the SAR has this habit of making future predictions that might become true, or not (see the Raptor´s one´s on this last bit).

    2015 numbers are these:
    F-35 CPFH – $42,200
    F-16C/D – $20,318

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35a-cost-and-readiness-data-improves-in-2015-as-fl-421499/

    An important observation, something that i am aware that you are aware :), but for the rest of the readers, with the increase of the fleet, the F-35A CPFH costs almost certainly will come down (quite a lot) unless it starts to be heavily used in operational scenarios (the ones were the F-15/16/18 are being used today).

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2189133
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    If Canada requires offsets to buy an aircraft, they’ll get canadian jobs regardless of what they buy. the question is “how many and for how long?”

    If that’s the main question expect a Canadian 180 degrees u turn in the next months.

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