A fascinating FCAS article which i think derives from a subscription only article just out in the FT:
Loved this bit “Both drones have a groundbreaking engine from Rolls-Royce and Safran, called the Adour” 😀
And where do you want to land? The whole argument of operating F-35As under those circumstances contemplates utterly idiot tactics of Russia of leaving the Finnish bases intact.
You must be underestimating them a lot…
They would move west and land in bases in NATO or in Sweden, thats Finnish Air Force doctrine.
It is generally assumed that in a conflict S-300/S-400 will operate near the Finnish border.I believe they should be able to cover most of Finland, at least using the S-400, and without entering Finland at all.
Why would they not do it!?
That’s the situation today, not a fictional war scenario.
The entire south of Finland is covered by the battery ‘s that protect Saint Petersburg. The airspace over Helsinki is within reach of the Units stationed at Roschino.
Good.. and why would they want to operate over the territory covered by the S-300?
Is there a Norwegian invasion of Russia in the planning?
A) The aircraft’s chosen by the Fin and Norwegian Mod ‘s to replace today’s Hornets and Vipers will have to soldier till the 2050’s and absolutely no one can predict how the political situation in Russia will evolve in such a lengthy timeframe
B) Historicaly the armed force’s of those two countries have been designed and equiped to deter an invasion from the east, the most probable opfor still remains Russia and for the foreseable future it will remain that way
C) Today to operate over territory covered by Russian double digits SAM’s the Fins simply have to fly over their own airspace, that almost certainly includes Helsinki, their capital.
Why would a country like Finland or Norway care about S-300?
Because they have the biggest S300 operator in the world bordering them?
The concept of generations may be misleading. Think performance, range, technology…
The Korean T-50 is a supersonic trainer, its “combat” variant is a mach 1.5, 8g´s, twin seater equiped with a radar arguably inferior to the AN/APG-73, right what the doctor prescribed as the backbone of an Air Force wich has a bloody big border with a country called Russia…
The JF-17 while in theory being a slightly better fit than the KAI aircraft, in practice it would be even worse.
The entire arsenal of the Finnish Air Force (AIM-9X, AIM-120C7, JDAM, JSOW, JASSM) would be rendered useless and on top of that, even without the logistical nightmare that it would entail the actual aircraft doesnt bring absolutely nothing over the Finnish Classical Hornets or any EPAF MLU Tape 5/6 Viper.
It will snow in Ougadougou before the Fins evaluate any of those two for their fighter force.
Problem with the hornets is pitiful range. F16 would help get them out of being a point intercept air force, barely capable of coving own territory.
Of course, SH would solve that…
The range of the Classical Hornet is far from “pitiful”, its almost identical to the SH.
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.displayPlatform&key=32F08227-0DE1-437F-93AB-C7241517AA8D
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.displayPlatform&key=C42247D4-36AF-4038-AD33-B559F68AA774
You know i’m a dumb optimistic Sintra 😉
Keep it that way halo (and thanks for maintaining the rest of us informed on Franco french novelties).
ps – Chateau Dassault red, tasted recently, pretty decent
A perfectly fine thread spoiled by a nationalistic “stronq” d*ck waiving contest by two chaps using arguments that my seven year old son would have no troubles in ripping apart… Goosh
Now getting back to the topic, is there any firm date for the Fin Mod to send an RFP to the manufacturers?
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Definitely. Lets hope our industrials will be grown up enough to work in a real collaboration…
What?
Something sensible like having a manned and a UCAV components of FCAS, the design leadership of the first being given to Dassault, the design leadership for the unmanned component to BAE, the propulsion to RRoyce and the systems to Thales?
Not gonna happen, too sensible…
The cynic in me is saying that if someone decides that FCAS ends up replacing part of the RAF Phoon fleet, the rest will be replaced by a future project called “let’s just buy another batch of Dave’s and be done with it”, a bit like “Scavenger” turns into “another sqn of Reapers please”.
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Very interesting sentence from french MoD in latest Air&Cosmos summer edition.
SCAF (for France) will be composed of Rafale NG (rénové) AND a Drone.
Now, we just to need to know what’s exactly Rafale NG. 🙂
How so exactly?
None of them has any increase in thrust.
Infact, they probably got even heavier With all that fancy systems and Equipments going
Would one of those new South Korean or Saudi evolved Eagles need an increase in thrust?
If I am not mistaken their T/W ratio is better than what we can find in a Phoon or Raptor (or Su35?).
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Novator KS 172? Seriously, I thought it had been cancelled? Surely R-37 would be a more available choice?
The Novator KS172 is dead.
UK National Audit Office Publishes Report Stating that The Typhoon Is Worse Value For Money
http://www.nao.org.uk/report/management-of-the-typhoon-project/
That report was discussed “ad nauseum” here when it was released, almost four years ago.
The only recent “news” related to that report that you could have brought was how the NAO got their numbers wrong in 2011.
The “more than twenty billion pounds” to develop and acquire 160 “Phoons” for the RAF ended up in “more than eighteen billion pounds” to develop and acquire 160 “Phoons”. And yes, I am using the latest (2015) NAO numbers.
1. The US would not have been able to create B-2 without such equations, or any actual stealth aircraft.
If i remember correctly Lockheed Martin did use Pyotr Ufintsev work in the F-117 development, other companies like Northrop (XST, Tacit Blue, B2, etc) or MBB (Lampyridae) didnt.
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