Well that was a surprise!
Lockheed Martin Sikorsky must be fuming…
End of story, Qatar just made the first downpayment to BAE. They´ve also added a squadron worth of BAE Hawks to the contract.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/qatari-jet-export-deal-swings-into-action
https://thedefensepost.com/2018/09/18/qatar-uk-bae-eurofighter-typhoon-payment-hawk-trainer-jets/
UK had an engine for the now defunct UK/Fr UCAS project that must have had enough modularity built in it to accept an M-88 core at a latter phase of its design. When I read also that the future engine would be build with advanced multi-disciplinary modeling technologies, I have no doubt that both are related.
The UK never “had an engine for the now defunct UK/Fr UCAS project”, it was a derivative of the Safran M88, pure and simple.
http://aviationweek.com/paris-air-show-2017/engine-planform-begin-shaping-anglo-french-ucav
Convoluted story. The SU-7B had originaly four store pylons, each one of them could carry 500 kg´s/1100 lb, two under the wings and two under the fuselage. Late builds of the SU-7BKL received another two pylons under the wings, to a great total of six, that configuration was retrofitted to older “BKL”´s and quite a few even older “B”´s.
http://www.airvectors.net/avsu17_1.html#m2
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Tempest is not using the EJ200.
mrmalaya, you´ve just made me think, if a prototype is going to be “flyable” around 2025 its going to need engines, the alocated budget and timeframe precludes having a entirely new engine by that date, its probable that a pair of (modified?) EJ200´s will be the propulsion for the prototype.
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@Sintra: you seemed to have missed the large panel of systems showcased by the UK industries related to this project (flying/ tested/ prototyped).
In what particular way the “systems showcased by the UK industries related to this project” are more advanced than the ones that Dassault, Airbus, Thales, Humboldt, Snecma, MTU and so on, have at their disposal?
That’s a crazy statement. Tempest as a flying demonstrator has technologies that are more advanced than what so far has surfaced from the Franco-German(?) side.
Facepalm…
Please enlight the rest of the chaps here, what the hell has “surfaced from the Franco-German” side?
The joint Adla/Luftwaffe work group has not even delivered the basic specifications documents to the Industry, but yeah, its less “advanced” because…
And once again, financially speaking only, there are LESS risks on the UK side than among the “coalescence” of European partners, in every way you turn the problem.
Offcourse, we have a budgetary expert right here. The French and German budget MOD´s just double the UK one. The level of nonsense is fast aproaching “the Qaher 313 is a WIG” level.
You forgot the Franco-Greman SCAF in the options. The UK would have much more clout with the SCAF than with the NGAD + Airbus is willing to partner with BAE.
This
Again “Follow the money”.
Other governments which might share in a £10 billion development cost include some Middle East countries and maybe India, if India can get over being burned by the Russians with PAKFA. That £10 billion is a big pill for any UK political party to swallow and is a non-starter, IMO.
And Italy, Sweden, Germany, France, Spain…
This Tempest looks suspiciously like “Replica” all over again, the major difference being that the last one was squarely aimed at the US and this one to the rest of Europe, namely the Germans and the French…
If they go with a US program in which they are a very, very, very junior partner might has well close BAE military aerospace engineer dpt, nevermind Rolls Royce
The f-book post is interesting, but is MOD willing to pay £10 billion for a stand-alone development of 80 jets? And the £10 billion doesn’t include the £12 billion cost for production! Go back to post #35 and think about the sales potential for FCAS. It isn’t a large number.
The FCAS capabilities listed in the f-book post are very similar to the words spoken by USAF acquisition leadership over the past 2 years. IMO, FCAS-TI is to position UK companies for a partnership role with the substantially larger NGAD program. That partnership brings technology and jobs to UK, as is being done through the F-35 program. Its a win for everybody.
Its a win for whatever US major who wins NGAD, its a bleeding disaster and a final nail in the coffin for whatever design capability that still happens to exist in the UK.
And read the document again, this will only go forward if foreign partners are found, foreign partners not called USA mind you.
o, Sintra; there is still a five years long embargo on importation of weapons that are not strictly defensive ones and an eight years long one on the import of balistic missiles.
You are indeed correct, thanks
“O Gripen é um avião de ultima geração. É um avião que realmente vai atender todas as nossas necessidades no futuro.”
Almost entirely correct Spitfire9, one single correction:
“is: The Gripen is a latest generation aircraft. It is an aircraft which is going to truly meet ALL our future needs.”
I doubt that he was speaking about Anti Submarine Warfare 😀
Nothing to get worked up about
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that was mirage F1 which is BVR equipped while Mirage III in PAF service was not
The SAAF Mirage F1´s were not BVR equiped, actually of the 48 South African Mirage F1´s, only one third, 16 airframes, had a Cyrano radar with an air to air missile mode, but even those lacked a BVR missile, full 32 of them were “AZ”´s attack ground variants (but the South Africans went chasing Mig-21 and 23´s with the dam thing relying on the old sensor from WWI, the “eyeometer”!)
It’s not that simple. They would both expect to be paid. And, with sanctions in place, it is going to be hard for Iran to come by any foreign exchange currency – dollars, yen, euros, etc. And neither the yuan or the ruble are in significant use yet.
Sanctions? Foreign currency?
The sanctions were lifted in January 2016 and of the six partners that signed the “5+1” deal only the US reneged the deal. Its biggest (by far) trade partner is China who´ve just increased its oil inports from Iran.
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First batch of Su-57 expected to be signed these days at the 2018 Army forum.http://tass.com/defense/1017791
Poor guys at Sukhoi & MoD, they don’t know cancellation of the program is imminent
In the light of cancelled mass procurement of tanks- armata, nuclear missile- rubezh , …new 5 gen fighter seems logical , there is no money .
I posted previously about the already obsolete pak-fa and new 6th gen. principles https://forum.keypublishing.com/show…37#post2450437Engeneering revolution with intuitive A.I. 3d generated design and 3d printing additive technologies…6th generation baby!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlX5aAnj…-by=uac_russia
I want you to watch this video very carefully
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5N…utu.be&t=2m38s
So in theory now super-computer can completely design a 6th generation fighter alone.And made it easy to build with 3d printed parts..
more construction…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQZjaosDToU
some lighter/stronger parts.
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/…pZ2IYNejQ.jpeg
http://www.weltderfertigung.de/image…3_nach_510.jpg
https://3dstream.net/wp-content/uplo…us-768×514.jpg
What the?