Creaking Door Ref # 150
Thank you for the Info Sir.-
It was a good aiming from the HMS Glanmorgan that night-
Regards Enrique –
Mike Currill Ref # 148
On Forum Super Etendar I’ve been exchanging experiences with Mr Jonesby about Positions of Radar in the islands, when it was hit by naval artillery –
We also wrote about first Vulcan Attack on may the first –
On that same day may the first in the afternoon A4 and Dagger plane attack the Ships south of Port Stanley that were on Naval bombardment mission –
There are several doubts about this attack –
-One would be if the A4 or were the Daggers the one that inflicted damage
-The other is which ship was hit and what damage inflicted –
Thank you very much
Regards Enrique –
Jonesy Ref # 10
Read again your post , regarding naval bombardment on the Radars:
Night of May 01 , I had placed the radar a couple of days early on top of Sapper Hill – A perfect view of surroundings , no obstructions to the north or east , during the day observed al incursions , in the evening we saw the ships coming in , Air force came after them ( question here to Mt Jonesy : any damage here ? ) – the ships sail away – Night falls , I set the radar with a one degree negative to improve image on ships – At night fall ships come back , detected at about 20 NM – If i remember right two come forward one remains farther away – Navigate paralel to the shore line south of Stanley , see clearly helicopter taking off –
These early seeing of ships approach always gave us a 15 to 20 minutes early alarm for naval bombardment that was transmited to everyone –
That night Ship aims at Radra , shoots salvos of about 8 grounds then makes corrections and shoots again – When firts salvo hits we were inside the radar , i was able to turn it of and jump into a fox hole – Ships keeps firing on a fire pause ( while correcting aim) I pull out of the hole and lower the antena -This may have been seen as damaged from the Helicopter and fire stop-
Generator damage , antena damage by sharpnel , cabin Ok – Took two days to replace generator and other minor repairs – Chose another position –
Night of June 11 , during the day as usual operating as long range air detection , during nights as early alarm for aproaching ships and spoter for 155 guns firig against ships – That night I saw the usual ships coming in , that was the night that they were going to try again with the exorcet from land –
Suddenly late at night we received naval bombardment from the ship , I still have doubts which ship was it and if it had come as usual from the south –
First shots fall on top of us , no time to turn off equipment , try to run to fox hole which was about 50 yards away towards the bay – We didn’t make it , you here the whistle sound approaching , if that whistle stops it means its falling on you , if it goes on you are lucky – Al whistle sounds of bombs stop on top of us – Even on the ground covering your head very bright light can be seen – We had casualties / dead wounded –
End of Radar , damage again generator , antena and cabin –
I still have the doubt which ship and if it came as usual from the south or was this one in another bay or innlet north of us – It seem to me that it may have been proximity war head because all explotions seen to be in the air not hitting the ground – I may be wrong but that is what it look like –
Regards Enrique
Westinghouse I don’t remember of hit by naval bombardment , don’t think so I will double check , Westinghouse had a very close call with shrick missil –
TEEJ Ref # 11
Thank you Sir
Jonesy Ref # 10
Thank you Sir for the info –
Cardion Radar never went to sleep during naval bombardment , other than the two times when we were hit by the Ship ( Night of May 01 and night of June 11)
We had a clear view of Ships coming in , we saw very well when helicopter lift off to guide artillery – Maximun range we saw ships approaching the coast about 20/22 NM (when at Sapper Hill)
about 16 NM (when by road to airport)
Westinghouse not sure I presume it may have turn off at night , when no Air Activity –
Since 2 week of may , we guided 155 mm fires against Ships Bombarding –
Thanks, Regards Enrique
Falklands / Belgrano
Regarding Belgrano and stricktly from the military accion that took place , we have the following information , and we would like to know if correct –
Three torpedos fired , two hit belgrano – The third one ? aimed at an escort or missed -?
Were the escorts at any time targeted ?
Escorts did they ever had the oportunity to detect the HMS Conqueror , or was it an imposible –
After achiving the mission , HMS Conqueror remains in site or departs to other areas ?
Thank you
Regards Enrique
Mr Jonesy
Good Morning Sir
Regarding HMS Conqueror/Belgrano and from this military accion , we have heard that 3 torpedos were launch , two impact Belgrano , question will be :
Third one missed target or intended to one of its escorts –
Did escorts ever had a chance to detect HMS Conqueror –
Conqueror remained in the area or after accomplishing mission went somewere else ?
Thank you
Regards Enrique
Mr Fedaykin Ref # 4
Regarding Mr Fedaykin request Ref # 4 (Bombs) i suggest to wait for Mr Willy Cobra chief Technitian on Dagger during conflict and pilot of M3 Miragge – He has been posting something related to this matter on the Sue/Exprcet forum , we are going to ask him to report to this forum and let him explain his experience on this matter –
There are other topics on Thread Sue/Super Etendard that will need to move into this one :
1) One was related to Triple A positions by the Airport requested by Mr Jonesy
and it was reply already-
2) One related to Roland positions and Radar positions during conflict also requested by Mr Jonesy , in part reply . I think he may want to go into more details ( I suggest inviting Mr Jonesy into this thread ) so we can continue –
3) One topic also talked about is the first Vulcan incursion on may 01 , we had some doubts about if it was in reach of triple A – It may be still open for further details –
Thank you –
Regards Enrique –
Mr EdLaw Ref # 1
Good Morning Sir
We have 3 open threads :
-One Sue / Super Etendard / Exorcet
-One Falklands Naval War Discussion (were things related to Exorcet were also input here )
-One Open Falklands Discussion Just open by you –
Could you please indicate us were this topics should go :
1-Ground related actions
2-Triple AAA ( I’ve been posting on thread Sue/Super Etendard and on thread “What if …
3-M3 Mirage / Dagger Actions ( Willy was a pilot on M3 ) he has been posting on thread Sue / Super Etendard – Probably will need to move from there ?
If you could please assign specifics / topics on each thread so that we can avoid someone interested in Roland / Radar actions having to go through the Sue / Super Etendard thread to read about it –
Thank you
Regards Enrique
Back to Falklands Naval War Discussion
Gentleman
If you all agree i would propose to go back to the origin of this Forum which is
:Falklands Naval War Discussion –
Two topics are open :
One related to HMS Shefield / Exorcet
One related to Radar and Roland Locations during the conflict ( proposed by Mr Jonesy )
To my Argie Friends , what ever information we may have gather , what ever was told to us , what ever was talked about with an Argie war veteran is only half of the story , we have been warmly recieved in this Forum to learn about the other half –
None of us has the total truth about a war event , the truth is burried alongside the Heroes on both sides of this conflict –
What ever information , knowledge or story related to an event in discussion will be brought in as what it is ” Half of the Story ” and then will try to match it up with what the other half knows about it –
Thank You – Enrique –
Panzon Ref # 49
Thanks Panzon , with al the respect we will try to replay what has happened in each war action –
We may come to know that certain things have not happen the way we were told it happen , well it’s better to know the truth than to live writing the wrong story over and over again – And in more than one case you will have to keep for yourself the conclusions that you may come to –
Un Gran abrazo Enrique
A Big Hug Enrique
Panzon Ref # 38
Panzon , no veo la necesidad de irnos a escenarios hipoteticos –
Pamzon , I don’t see the need of talking about possible scenarios
I don’t see any good in switching to other channels with possible scenarios –
We are not here to discuss a what if scenario-
We are all here trying to understand what happened , how it happened from the military point of view and see if we match up with information or stories told about the conflict –
In due respect for those who did not come back from both sides we may try to see how each battle developed , how this aircraft was shot down , how that ship was hit and so forth but never we should try to judge those that from both sides have given their lives for our Countries –
Thank you , Regards
Enrique –
Jonsey Ref # 245 from forum Super Etendard
Good morning Sir
In response to your input # 245 (forum Super Etendard)
Long Range Radar ANTPS 43 WESTINGHOUSE since beguining till the end due south of town –
Long Range Radar ANTPS 44 CARDION :
Since end of april till may 2nd on top of Sapper Hill ( knock down the night of may 01 by naval artillery) Repaired and moved to new location –
Since may 04 till the end of conflict on the side of road that goes to the airport between town and airport – closer to town than to airport (knock down on the night of june 11th by naval artillery
Roland – Only one system
Since end of april until may 02 at the botom south side of Sapper Hill , then it moved arround , I’ll find detaills and let you know – Mostly moving arround in between the airport and town , could not get off main roads because it was not off road system – Tractor with trailler –
Regards Enrique
Mike Currill Ref # 146
Thank you very much for the welcome Sir
Its an honor and a pleasure to be allowed in your Forum-
Back in 82 i fought in the islands as Long Range Radar operator , I was directed to your Forum by a Dagger war veteran –
I’m sure that sharing experiences will alow al of us to better understand and learn about how this plane was shot down , how the other escaped , how this happen – Well indid there is a lot of experiences to share –
I need to appolagise because my English is not as good as it should be –
Regards Enrique
Craking Door Ref # 141
Roland on that first day south of Sapper Hill , its correct one shot down on the only clear day of the conflict at maximun range – It was shot down south of town , Pilot ejects and is recovered