I’ve always liked the Whirlwind since making an Airfix model as a child (more decades ago than I care to remember). However, I think it was too small to take much development, such as bigger engines.
Just for fun, I recently indulged in a little ‘what if’ speculation about an ‘ideal’ additional British plane throughout WW2 and have posted it here: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2plane.htm
Sadly, it would have replaced the Whirlwind!
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But to add to Tony, when developing unconventional systems hoping to find a market for it, you’re bound to run into development problems (as in with any other system). Solving these problems for an unconventional system is usually far more difficult than with systems whose ins and outs are already well known. But new systems have new problems. Nothing you can fix because of earlier experience, just look at the V-22 and the problems it’s plagued with.
Quite true, but I would argue that the Rotodyne was technically an extremely simple vehicle by comparison with the V-22 – in fact, simpler than a helicopter, since the rotor didn’t have to perform such tricks. It was also much safer, with two separate systems for staying aloft: the tip-driven rotor, and the engine-driven propellers. The contrast between the apparently trouble-free development of the Rotodyne (AFAIK) and the immense problems which have plagued the V-22 is quite stark, especially since the Rotodyne’s designers lacked the benefit of modern computer aids.
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It anyone was that interested in it, they would have taken the concept (not nesessarily the specific design) and developed it in the same way the US eventually developed jetsliners (after Comet) and rear-engined jetliners (after the Trident and Caravelle). If the concept were really practical, I would think we’d have seen large gyroplanes by now…from someone.
That doesn’t necessarily follow. It is always very hard to introduce a new concept into the market; it is commercially less risky to carry on developing a known kind of product than to strike out in some radical direction. And big companies try to minimise their commercial risks.
One example; all kinds of alternatives to the poppet-valve piston car engine have been proposed, many with clear advantages demonstrated in test-beds. Some of them have even made it into production (sleeve valves and rotary pistons). But most manufacturers aren’t interested – they prefer to continue to develop the ancient poppet valve because they understand it and are geared up to make it.
In terms of the infrastructure required, a jet airliner is just a development of a turboprop which is in turn a development of a piston-engined plane. They all need the same kind of airports. A VTOL airliner is a different matter; to be worthwhile, it has to make use of its characteristics to use city-centre landing grounds, so an entire infrastructure of such grounds, served by ground transport, has to be built. That’s a huge step, and too much of an investment risk (even if the noise problem was solved).
A similar problem affects the return of airships; various studies have shown that they could still make a worthwhile contribution in a number of roles, but there is no infrastructure in place to support them.
The story of the V-22 is a good example of the problems of selecting a highly capable – but technically new and complex – solution to a requirement. Unless the government is picking up the development tab, the industry doesn’t want to know. As it happens, I think that the gyroplane could have provided much of the performance of the V-22 at a fraction of the development time and cost.
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I recall having a toy Rotodyne back in the 60s. There was a long flexible cable attaching the side of it to a handgrip with a winding handle. You furiously wound the handle and this made the blades rotate; the thing would actually take off!
Don’t recall it being all that noisy, except for a steadily increasing panting noise 🙂
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120 rpg definitely.
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The only size of Hispano drum used by the RAF was 60 rounds (although both smaller and larger ones were used elsewhere). This was replaced in RAF service by a belt-feed mechanism which could be fitted to any Hispano without modifications, although the ‘recoil reducer’ (muzzle brake) was removed as the gun needed to recoil harder to drive the belt feed mechanism. The length of the belt varied according to the installation, from around 90 to 250 (approx) but around 120 was standard for single-engined fighters.
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Ah the Draken – one of my favourite jet fighters. I’ve always thought it was a pity that the British didn’t go into co-production with SAAB to make the Draken as the RAF’s Hunter replacement; after all, it used a British engine and British guns. I think it would have easily beaten the Mirage in the export market. However, it would have been politically virtually impossible at the time (sigh).
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Not an aircraft museum, but if you haven’t been to the Montjuic Military Museum it’s well worth a visit. It’s in an old fort on top of the Montjuic hill which overlooks the city and the port. You can travel up via funicular and cable car and the view from the top is fantastic. And once you’re in the central courtyard you can sit in the open among the artillery pieces and enjoy a cold beer from the cafe. Magic.
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PS. Was it not a major headache with the excellent F-8: Gun jamming?
Yes. The reason was the very long ammunition belt runs from the high-mounted magazines to the low-mounted guns; pulling high Gs could break or jam the ammo belts.
Incidentally, the F-8U’s 20mm cannon were quite different from the F-100’s, and fired different ammunition.
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The main concerns with caseless ammo are that it is more fragile, vulnerable to atmospheric changes (humidity) and more likely to heat up and cook off in a hot chamber. However, it seems that HK and DN between them either solved these problems or reduced them to an acceptable level.
The main practical difficulty is that it requires an entirely different type of gun design – you can’t just rechamber existing weapons, or even use the experience you’ve gained in working on conventional weapons. You have to start from scratch.
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There are various types of caseless ammo, but the HK G11 buried the bullet in a solid, square-section block of propellant with the primer stuck on the back (the primer burned up on ignition). The propellant was carefully prepared by Dynamit Nobel to have a very high ignition point to minimise the cook-off risk. The cartridges were kept protected inside a plastic 50-round magazine which was placed on top of the gun.
Advantages of the caseless ammo included much less weight, a smaller round which could be packed tightly, and no case extraction problems (one of the biggest causes of unreliability).
HK were bought by BAe in the early 1990s – and did the very thorough reworking of the SA80 – but were bought back into German hands in 2002 IIRC.
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In a word, power.
A swing-wing provides shorter take-off runs and better load carrying when extended, and a higher speed when swept back. If your engines develop enough power then you have a short take-off run and high speed without the weight and complexity of a swing-wing. And modern fighters have an impressive power-to-weight ratio.
I can still see a swing-wing being of use in a high-speed long-range bomber, like the B1 or the Tu-160 Blackjack, but not many of those are being built these days. The B2 doesn’t need it as it’s slow.
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