j-15 is a copy of su-33 that is obivious.about engines everyone knows the quality of chinese engines.the same think for avionics.i dont know why they dont create they design but continue to steale russian design.that a proof of their inability

when was the last time PLAAF purchased big upgrades on avionics and radar from Russia?

do you think if WS10 sucks so much that PLA, a organization that has previously willing to threaten Shengyang by going exclusive Salut and set-up a licensed AL-31 production line in country, that would now demand the WS-10 production rates to be increased 20-30% per year for the last couple of years?

as for why they have gone for a Su-33 based solution, I have stated previously why PLAN may have made ther decision.The PLANners have a schedule to keep and Russian hardware, copied or not ensures schedule risk is minimized.

as for “steale russian design” in general. while some are unlicensed copies, yes, other many of these are simply low-level licensed technology transfers. HHQ-16 for example. In more instances it is Russia’s inability to deliever on contract that alarmed the risk averse PLA planners thus demand a local copied solution, which as far as schedule risk goes of course would have been superior over domestic designs. but not necessarily in performance or technology, we see this in IL-76 deal (russian can’t deliever on time so they can’t wait) , we see this in SA-N-7s systems purchased for 052B, we see the more in S-300FM system for 051C, (backup incase 052C system fails to deliever). etc etc.

as general note, gathering more detailed insight into situation is more constructive than repeating generalized biases, don’t you think?

The first strange phenomenon is why F-4 can do post-stall maneuver?

Because it can.

you don;t need a FBW system to do post stall.

just need enough control power on the surfaces post stall and a good pilot.

seriously.

who opens its radar and scan for your opposite number anymore!

Why worry when we are getting F 35 C on our next carrier. 😉

by the time one gets 35C, we are talking about PLAN’s global op and targeting capability for its integrated space based network. plus a 5th gen follow and who knows may be J-20H.

its the system that gives one an edge not any individual item in your inventory.

russians are right to choose 29K at this moment. for practical operational aspect there isn’t any different between 29K and su33, they and IN generally don’t send their carrier fighters out thousand miles out like USN does. they simply don’t have the command and control capability.

ok why not just EF stealth? i dont see the point of expensive hardware that burns in the pocket every hour.
The world are getting smaller, military budgets are under the microscope, noone except maybe china and brazil, can dogde the budget restraining bullit.

how do you make EF stealthy?
unless you have magic stealth dust or something like that you have to change shape.
reshape means new integrated external stealth shaping and aerodynamics. new aerodynamics means new structure. which means basically a new program.
one can do is leverage all the system experience built up during EF. rest is easy.

then instead of 3 baby bays, have 1 larger bay, that way you can at least fit in larger munitions when you need to, like a single Ashm, or two lgbs, etc?

I suspect these days the intial stage design are revolved more and more around bays. once the excess thrust brought by evolution in engine thrust made it possible to cancels out negative effects of the dreaded increase volumn, they realized one can meet the performance targets with large internal bays.

of course an upgraded SU-33 already does exist. called J-15. India and Russia can always go there if they wanted to :diablo:

a bit more on J-15,

apparently the WS-10 “H” engine (the J-15 intial engine) program is doing pretty good.
increased thrust compare to vanilla AL-31F, so bit better takeoff distance than vanilla 33. and better transient characteristics for TOGA than WS-10A

or the military need?

None of these asian designs are going to happen any time soon. They are a means to an industrial end aren’t they rather than a demonstration of aerospace manufacturing excellence.

they still need to convince the respective military that this is the solution will fit their needs.