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  • in reply to: European LO Fighter still with vertical tail…. #2376773
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    why not smaller EF version? electronics, engine efficiencies and materials makes it possible to cut size, after all, size is cheaper in all aspects.

    a single medium thrust engine fighter with canards? isn’t that what saab is doing already it seems.

    all these asian countries do got the $$$, they can aford longer range with two engines. especially if you toss in stealth and market it as a better alternative to F-15SE/F-18E/F/ Flankers because its newer/stealthier, and better than JSF because its “faster”, and whatnot. isn’t that where the big $$$ is at anyways?

    think about, Bill S is constantly groaning about a twin-F414 engined Medium stealth fighter as what could have been, and looks like Both Japanese (with the Shinshen) and Koreans with their twin engined mini rapator is both in that class if not exactly in concept. Boeing’s F-18E/F and 15SE follow ons are really attempts to sequeeze last drop out of their st-louis production line before goint for 6th gen.
    and looks like chinese 5th gen medium is going to be twin engined too.

    Americans are going for the single engine solution again for the “lower tier” manned 5th generation fighter. constrained by Stovl. but not all countries need stovl. seems this time around not all countries will go for a single engine solution. you have a proliferation of twin engine requirements but not the technical execution. so that shows at least some body recognized there is a need.

    the biggest mark against EF is percieved lack of “stealth” right? it has a good engine, good radar, good ew, good performance.
    so why not make a EFT-XL based on F-16XL concept but stealth focused. who knows, it might be a hit.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2376828
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    yes.

    in reply to: European LO Fighter still with vertical tail…. #2376829
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    ^^^^^Hey PPP mate but then, if the RR are the aim
    the redesign is not needed and it should go to their
    mini-Raptor?? :confused:

    prob americans are unwilling to transfer any meaningful airframe technology.
    a pair of F414 efe should meet their needs just fine it seems.

    in reply to: European LO Fighter still with vertical tail…. #2376830
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    so they don’t want to go the full stealth hog?

    Is this a sign? I mean are there more important things for countries to consider than whether their design looks like a raptor?

    It suggests to me that there is more to the future of fighter design than internal weapons carriage and canted fins?

    and i barking?

    There has long been talk of an airframe with the typhoon innards, the question is whether Eurofighter has a future beyond its current design…

    seems a Typhoon-XL is prob a good way to go. cranked delta. internal/semi-internal carriage. redesign inlets. smaller fins.
    wasn’t lockheed suppose to come up with a “super F-16” to corner the “those-that-can’t-afford-JSF” market?

    in reply to: Cockpit visibility and Sukhoi factories #2376837
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    Not entirely surprising. Didn’t we get news about other AVIC companies serving as subcontractors when we heard it was going to be Chengdu.

    the whole project ais not just an airplane.

    Luoyang has that new short and long range missile,
    14th Insitute has that AESA radar.
    Ws-15.
    LG, body structure, etc spread out in various avic companies.

    Chengdu being the final system integrator.

    in reply to: Cockpit visibility and Sukhoi factories #2377072
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    KnAAPO+NAPO are proposed cooperation chain in future T-50 production.
    NAPO=forward fuselage, empennage, may be more
    Tail surfaces for T50-1 – T50-3 were made at VASO with their final assembly made at NAPO for KnAAPO. Seems that currently NAPO is not ready for something more advanced.

    with KnAAPO makes the rest of structures and wings?

    btw just to go on a tangent to get on topic. (:eek:)

    Seems shengyang had a hand in making the titanium parts for the J-20 fuselage. at least part of the structure is designed by Shengyang, so not an all a chengdu Show.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2377086
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    But does that mean the PLAAF’s J-10As didn’t want/need PGM/stand off capabilities on their own aircraft, if it’s only for export? ie; is the pic we saw showing a trial run rather than operational aircraft in PLAAF?

    That pic is from an exercise, and that airplane is from a standard line PLAAF regiments.

    btw, still no picture of that Turkish Airforce pilot posing infront of a 27UBK with an PLAAF shoulder patch yet?

    in reply to: Cockpit visibility and Sukhoi factories #2377232
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    My parameters is the fact that almost none exercises are done in the supersonic regime. Which is the only place you can see the effect of the ‘high drag’ on both the MKI and Su-27UB elevated cockpit.

    The T/W ratio of both the MKI and Su-27UB are not any better vs F-15C if we were to compair.

    So that only leaves us with the Drag/lift ratio.
    Which is where i want to know what parameter you are using.
    By different reports, both the MKI and Su-27UB are on equal turf with US jets, which have a singel crew cockpit.

    The conclusion must be: The elevated cockpit layout of both MKI and Su-27UB does not reduce its performance that much.

    If it does, then how superior is the Flanker Aerodynamic compaired to other jets?

    Where in the flight envelope is important too.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2377256
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    J-10A dropping two LT-2 LGB’s ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaceiXw4eUM&feature=player_embedded

    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1814789#post1814789

    On a complete tangent,

    the initial export customer for J-10 did ask for integrating standoff weapons capability in their aircraft. so in next couple of month there might be photos surfacing of J-10s flying around chengdu with pods and weapons strapped on them.

    in reply to: Cockpit visibility and Sukhoi factories #2377744
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    i would say it is more a two seater su-37.both have canards,tvc engines the same radar no-11m.

    actually…

    Komsomolsk-on-Amur which was responsible for Su-35/37. which builds the 30MKK/M/2.
    Irkutsk was responsible for the 27UB and 30MKI

    so, sure, the statement that MKI is in essence an advance su-27UB version has much more merit to it than first look.

    in reply to: Cockpit visibility and Sukhoi factories #2377753
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    Is that so?
    So whats the fuzz about the MKI’s performing better vs all teens at RF08:confused:
    The MKI is in essence an advanced Su-27UB version.
    But it still have the same elevated cockpit feature, so how can it be so draggie and still perform on par with singel station fighters?

    the trouble with arguing one feature will make something “draggier” is that drag behaves different with speed. or I should say L/D behaves differently at mach, and angles of attack.

    something matters very little at low speed while at high mach blows up.

    in reply to: argentinian air force #2377812
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    Su-34 will always have better range and persistency. I think it is the perfect replacement of the Australian F-111s. IMO the Fullback fits very well for large and scarcely populated countries with long shorelines (Australia, Argentina, South Africa) and for non scarcely populated too (Brazil, Indonesia).

    I know the political infeasibility of my opinion.

    Su-34 prob can’d dog fight as good as a regular Su-27/30.
    for range and persistency better Return on investment prob is to invest in a modest MPA force.

    in reply to: argentinian air force #2377819
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    Other countries which have trade surpluses with China:

    Japan
    South Korea
    Taiwan
    Australia
    Brazil
    Malaysia
    Saudi Arabia
    Germany
    Thailand
    And many more . . .

    These figures may be distorted by exports logged as going to Hong Kong, the Netherlands, & other entrepots, & shipped onwards, but a lot of these countries really do have trade surpluses.

    That’s right, on the whole china don’t run huge current account surpluses.

    some of these countries mentioned above runs more trade surplus as % of their gdp than china.
    purely as a tangent, on the whole this also shows why the currency undervalue bourhaha brewing in Washington is such a bunch of bullocks.

    in reply to: argentinian air force #2377841
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    Thats call for the Su-34.

    a modernized Su-27/J-11 variant wouldn’t be a bad idea.
    I would go for an all two seater force.

    in reply to: argentinian air force #2377847
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    About a dozen air forces have Chinese fighters, & I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them replace older aircraft with the JF-17, & exports to new customers. There are also a few potential J-10 customers.

    Chinese engine technology is improving. They’ll get the WS10 right eventually.

    BTW, China is the second largest recipient of Argentinean exports (after Brazil). & Argentina has a trade surplus with China.

    yumm… soybeans and beef.

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