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  • in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2378388
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    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/10/205_97236.html

    F-35: a game changer in modern warfare

    By Lee Tae-hoon

    sigh***

    why does LM have to crame such a nice avionics package and engine into such a ***** airframe.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2378391
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    The related g claim is questionable. It is just a warranty given for a specific flight-weight and a related number of g-loads. For a typical interception mission or CAS it is no issue. Just two values are intresting, what time will a F-35A, F-35C, SH or Typhoon need to reach a given height of ~40 kft in military or in max. AB. All the contenders will be subsonic when doing so at all.
    The F-35C without the naval related equipment will be ~0,5 tons lighter at least and it is about the warranty at first if the allowed (not the possible!) g-load is kept at 7,5 g.

    That’s right…
    it matters what gs you are pulling at what speed at what loading.

    go beyond XX deg of aoa means little on the pure performance side.
    if you have enough elevator power, your control system can let you ride the alpha curve, go beyond the inflection point on the pitching moment curve and stay on the reverse side of the curve.
    how much speed you shed while you are there is another question.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2378584
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    How is the F-35 a bad choice for Air-defense/Air-interception? It goes above m1.6 with 4 internal AMRAAMs (the F-18 cannot do that), it has an IRST, has stealthy data links, EODAS, and its radar and RwR are linked to act as a single unit, and has a radar that even the APA says is second to only the F-22’s APG-77.

    What about the F-35C makes it a better choice than the F-35 for this mission? It only has a range benefit of less than 100nm but gives up 1.5g of maneuverability, costs about $20 million more than the F-35A, has no internal gun, and does not carry any more AAMs than the F-35A.

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    The only way to realistically lighten the C is to change the landing gear which will not give you much of a benefit.

    I am really curious to see that V-n diagram of F-35Cs vs 35As.
    of course this would be may be 10 years before any of that is public.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2378588
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    Given that the F-35 is a 9g airframe, (which the F-18 is not even close to with a 7.6g limit) and the F-35 is faster than the F-18 with weapons, I think it’s pretty accurate.

    If I would to choose I would take a lightened 35C in this case.
    bigger wing bigger range bigger payload for little loss in top speed.

    then again I would prefer japan to design and build its own. may be finally it can throw off the crutches.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2378590
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    Japan buying F-18E/F is really stupid. its no better a platform than F-15.
    and you can certainly stuff a F-15 full of AESA and jammers to your own content and still have all the cardinal performance.

    JSF even more so. may be they may want to have a path to 35B so can finally have their carriers,…or should I say 40000 ton large aircraft carrying escorts.
    but for their primary mission which is air-defense/ air interception, F35A is really a bad choice. they opt for a skinny wing so they can hit a MMo forchrisake, even a 35C is more preferable.

    Typhoon may not be a bad choice. if quantity can be delivered in time to fill the gaps. while same time focus their industrial energy into a domestic midsized fighter program.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2378595
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    Thanks, so where is the operations capability comparison ? And relations with US as a parameter ? surely this can’t be an official comparison ?

    what is “operations capability”? you have to define a set of tasks (mission profile and availability etc) and measure each airplane’s performance accordingly. with out knowing their metric to guess those ratings is almost useless.

    and Yes, I am not surprised that relation with US is used as metric semi-officially. Nikkie has alot of links with the conservative bureaucratic elite that runs that country.
    unfortunately Japan has lost its own ways, and since 1945 with the brief exception in 80s, the general masses and all the way upto the political elite can not take a leak with out US.
    they think Americans as their father. sign…I wish Japan could think for itself little bit more. and have little more self confidence and self-respect and figure out its own future in East Asia. US is really treating Japan like their own slave vassal.

    in reply to: Chinese HQ-16 (LY-80) Surface to Air Missile System #1796004
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    Yep,

    Land version is cold launched and naval version is hot launched.

    because they want a common VLS for SAM/ASW missiles on their frigates.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2378607
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    Shock Japan buys American. Scared of china and it’s power in the region buy from the only country able to check any Chinese aggression.

    way out of topic. but since the moderator obviously allows for above highly political commentary then may I indulge.

    Really, what’s japan scared of?
    big bad china still has a smaller navy than JMSDF. and its ADIZ is right up china’s nose…

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2378609
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    Obviously when you couple operation capability and maneuverability together, it will give you a distorted picture. No one, even the most avid f-35 haters, doubts the operation capability of f-35 over the other two.

    PS: I would absolutely LOVE to see a similar chart for South Korean competition :p . That. would make a really nice chart for a f-35 hater 😀

    It’s Mistranslated.

    First column’s category should be something like “Handling Quality/ Performance” or “Handling Quality/ Agility”

    I seriously doubt F-35 in this category…may be the score is heavily weighed towards one type of mission.

    in reply to: argentinian air force #2378695
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    a) China doesn’t need the J-10 to have a standoff missile capability they have other types that perform the role. But there is no reason why the capability couldn’t be introduced in the future, the J-10 a multirole type has an open architecture weapons bus.
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    On a complete tangent,

    the initial export customer for J-10 did ask for integrating standoff weapons capability in their aircraft. so in next couple of month there might be photos surfacing of J-10s flying around chengdu with pods and weapons strapped on them.

    in reply to: argentinian air force #2378779
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    Argentina bought some Mi-17 for start. They can always buy my favorite fighter.
    They need fighter that can do Sead/Antiship/air to air combat in Single mission. This maximize the threat parameter as the oponent will not know what kind of strike is going to happen.
    MIG-35 has 5 wet stations and 5 weopon stations per wing. and with uprated engines/ TVC is more than match for EF.
    Rafale/Superhornet are too underpowered compared to EF.
    J-10/M2K/F-16 are pure garbage. They dont have the engine power for effective use of AESA and multitude of weopons with sufficient agility.
    ….

    Wonder if you are getting paid to write this stuff?

    in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2378781
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    Sorry .. even I would like to agree with You, I think this is only some “blurr” around the tip and not the tip alone. Especially since the radome looks still black …. 🙁 (most of all in the yellow one far left in front of the blue door!)

    … and I also can’t see the huge UAV ?!!! 🙁

    Deino

    Q:
    How many yellow primer J-10s do you see?
    A: Three

    Q:
    How many of them have the round tips and how many have square tips
    A: 2 & 1. 2 on the right, 1 on the left.

    in reply to: Cockpit visibility and Sukhoi factories #2378785
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    Well that’s a lot of use – is that in English?:rolleyes:

    for trimmed flight:

    Thrust = Drag
    Lift = Weight
    Sum of Pitching moment = 0;

    Lift to Drag is just as important as T/W.

    in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2378887
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    safe to say we need clearer photos…

    yep, you can see the dielectric tip right there. and couple of more in hangar.

    all flight test articles are accounted for and in flight test center.
    for a mode like this the ones that we seen already flying can finish the flight test program.

    Its prob the pre-production in-service trial production block, for the first user regiment.

    in reply to: Cockpit visibility and Sukhoi factories #2378891
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    Surely that’s a bit of a red herring – don’t most versions of the F-15 have a better thrust-to-weight ratio than most versions of the Su-27 family?

    sigh….

    for trimmed flight:

    T=D
    W=L;
    CM = 0;

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