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October 23, 2011 at 2:40 am in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2379090

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Are You sure ?? IMO they are squared ! … maybe I need better glases.

Deino

the tip is that dark dielectric material. look again.

October 23, 2011 at 2:36 am in reply to: Performance #2379095

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Nice videos.

but I am afraid these comparison is rather found upon shaky grounds.
you just don’t know how hard the pilot is pulling back on the stick and the speed in the turn.

October 23, 2011 at 2:33 am in reply to: Mirage 3/5 v F1 comparison #2379099

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big and fat and single purpose.

October 22, 2011 at 8:49 pm in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2379225

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On a general line, you are right. PLAAF do not NEED to order any more Su-30MKK/MK2.
However, i would be carefull to predict anything here..
The new engine order from Russia actuall suprised me, so there could come another MKK/MK2 from China just out of the blue, allthough it would not be an large order, just an extra increase in new fighters procurment.

And Russia would be happy to accomondate China with more MKK/MK2 jets.:)

PLAAF has older jets to keep in service,
Still good to have Russia as a technology source, incase 1) Shenyang drop the ball, and 2) Shenyang get lazy.

The biggest reason for PLAAF to lean so hard to make sure there is a domestic source is the unpredictability of russian source.
they got burn bad on the IL-76 deal.

October 22, 2011 at 6:17 pm in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2379321

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Are You sure that these are “B” models ??? … at least the yelow ones are “A” IMO. 🙁
Anyway I would like to know where are all these J-10’s will go to.

Here’s another photo from CAC’s flightline.

Deino

Precisely the opposite.
The ones in primer, closest on the tarmac, are Bs.
look at the fins.

October 22, 2011 at 5:38 pm in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2379335

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In another news,
looks like series production run for J-10B is well underway.
how many can you count and that big UAV is there too in the hangar if you can spot it.

October 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2379347

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PLA simply dont have choice. New Su-30MK from Russia will cost closer to $100m just like MKI to India. and China aviation industry cant produce Su-30MK . so all you get is JH-7 at the end.

Look,
no one here is arguing JH-7 is absolutely wonderful and out gun and out range Su30MKK.

Its like you can either buy 1 Cadillac Escalads or 3 Ford Explorers.

PLA have a choice, and they choose to preserve regimental strength.
they choose to buy an aircraft that is good enough for what it does at a much lower price, compare to Su-30s.

It’s like a high-lo mix on the F15/F16. duhhh.,,

and on the range side.
“1000km range with 4 YJ-83. so combat radius will be 500km? right. The drag and weight of 4 antiship wont allow it.”

you forgot that this on the return trup YJ-83 is not there.

and I want to see Mig-29SMT with its nice suuupppeeerrr spine, strapped with 4 AshMs and have a 500 km useful combat radius.

and no, don’t show me just a static picture.

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ah I got bored, sorry I am feeding the troll.

October 21, 2011 at 4:41 pm in reply to: Cockpit visibility and Sukhoi factories #2379652

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Some sort of light braking mechanism maybe ?

wouldn’t that give you a quite a bit nose up pitch?
besides, who knows what the local flow at that particular location.

October 21, 2011 at 4:39 pm in reply to: Financial stealth #2379655

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@drabslab: That’s socialism then!

@Sign: Maximize Return, Minimize Cost.
isn’t that what the stuff about invisible hand and enlightened self interest all gets boil down to?

October 21, 2011 at 3:34 pm in reply to: Cockpit visibility and Sukhoi factories #2379700

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@boom.

su30Mki’s both lh and rh rudder appeared to be turned slightly inwards.
any one know why?

October 21, 2011 at 3:32 pm in reply to: Financial stealth #2379704

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the company is concentrating on making money disapear, or doing as little as possible for the maximum amount of money possible, not on making an aircraft fly.

Isn’t that what capitalism is meant to be?

October 21, 2011 at 3:28 pm in reply to: Mirage 3/5 v F1 comparison #2379707

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FBW did the gain. 😉

Thanks all for the insight.

didn’t realize foxbat was such an impact on thinking of AdA at time of mirage 2000’s inception.

FBW is not a cure all for airplane performance, while a well designed FBW system certainly can mitagate some short term transient characteristics of the aircraft. when you get into areas like climb rates, sustained turn rates and speed bleed the answer is empathically that, no FBW doesn;t directly affect these numbers, these are still airplane characteristics,
what FBW buys you is 1) the ability to relax some of the static stability margins to enable your fighter have a shifted lift-drag curve. 2) weigh savings through loads, 3) design for Handling qualities can be somewhat decoupled from rest of requirements. 4) squeeze the absolute edge out of the aircraft performance with out loosing it.

Here is my theory why Dassault went for a pure delta again:
their extensive inhouse knowledge of delta layout enable them to remove the first layer of uncertainty on their first production fbw combat fighter. your fbw is as good as your knowledge of the structure and aero dynamics of your platform.

October 20, 2011 at 11:01 pm in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2379987

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Brah….RuAF is ordering two seated Su-34 (ok, you want to call it a theater bomber? how about:), Su-30SM, Su-25UBM…all two seater mud movers. So apparently another big AF is OK with 2 seats, even in 2010.

Oh No, Mig-29SMT would surely beat them all, as it has a smaller engine and a dorsal spin.

🙂

October 20, 2011 at 10:59 pm in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2379995

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So engine is big that means JH-7 is big aircraft due to engines. there is no internal volume for fuel.
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Tf30 is even a bigger engine than Spey Mk202.
so F-111 sucks more then?

October 20, 2011 at 10:41 pm in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2380017

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Blue;

Nothing stupid about comment. Infact it is less stupid than comment that JH-7 drop entire Ruaf PGM regiment inventory in one Exercise. when most of PLAAF budget is consumed by maintaining manpower for obsolete fighters.

Have you seen the budget spread for PLAAF? if you have please share them. if not please don’t make these snarky comments because they are worthless.

Since JH-7 does not carry anything of substance it does not need second operator. It is not MKI that front pilot can use HMS and WSO use standoff weopons.

And you just have shown a picture and JH-7A with a data link pod with 2×200 km standoff a2g missiles coming back landing. that’s not substantial? then tell me what is? what is then?

how many weopons does it carry? there is no fuel tank.

What do we see here?
Its a picture of a JH-7A belong to a line regiment, coming back landing with a data link pod and 2x KD-88s;

did you see the two empty pylons on the wings?
I hope you understand that they don’t typically attach pylons unless they are used for carry something?
you do know that the drop tanks on JH-7As are typically carried in the middle pylon?

this is getting pretty hilarious.
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