So the SM-3 can’t be relied upon but this utterly unproven Chinese wonder-weapon AShBM can be? That’s some holistic view…
first of all..
did I say AshBM is a wunder-weapon?
second.
did I say it can be relied up on to do what?
Two links…
DSP satellites detect the missile launch and hands over targeting information
and AEGIS shoots them down
and all this was done under real combat conditions against a real AShBM missile? yes?
and,
you understand that a 50s era scud is not the same thing as whatever they are developing right?
R-77, SD-10, S-300, HQ-9, AIM-7 etc etc, also did great on the range against aerial drones too.
I guess F-22/F-35 should just run and hide ?
….
why is it so hard for some people to take a holistic view of things, instead of going into these My missile will shoot your missile down because I said so bs.
high bypass and low bypass version of the same engine?
WS-10 =/= WS-15
totally two different engines.
and no WS-15 has no relation to D-30.
There seems to be very little evidence that the Chinese ballistic missiles can hit a moving aircraft carrier. And, even if they could, the SM-2 and SM-3 are capable of intercepting those missiles.
and tell me, smart man, just how the **** do you know that?
PLA still have caves full of these pristine zero hour J-6 saved up in event of a show down with Soviets/Americans during height of cold war. when I say cave full it literally mean thousands.
they already use them as aerial target drones, not a bad idea if they are used as cheap decoys even just to force opposing force’s radars to light up to paint them. your elint and signal people can then use ESM gadgets to determine orbat and location.
the problem is of course battle management for PLAAF/PLAN, how many can you effectively launch and control given a battle area.
My thinking is that they prob have a autopilot and some rudimentary passive gear for IDing targets, some may have two way link. who knows. there is all kinds of things you can do.
I have to say, the Russians really blew their chances with the IL-76/78 deal. Assuming that plane under-construction is the Y-20 prototype it seems unlikely that China will have any more need for IL-76 platforms in the near future. Their current fleet can last another 5-6 years till the Y-20 is certified for induction.
Those Pictures are not Y-20.
those are old pictures of IL-76 rebuilt line that PLAAF runs.
now the real money shot would be a picture of AL-31F rebuilt line or the D-30 rebuilt/ WS-18 line.
Regarding the Y-20 this is IMO the so far most likely configuration …
the original goal for the “military transport project” was always a fatter IL-76 with a bigger and more efficient wing. IL-76 was always quite volume limited and its cruise range could use some help from modern aerodynamics and increase tank volume.
It almost looks like an Airbus wing on a C-17.
FYI,
no body owns the rights on a ” tube-body-T-tail high winged transport aircraft with a transonic wing with high lift flap systems. “
so you really think they’re going to make a transport using 4 turbojet engines? 😮
FYI that’s a Sinicized Д-30КП2 named WS-18.
their initial version of Y-20 would be powered by Д-30КП2/WS-18.
later version…
As Deino says, the aircraft in the censored image is clearly a Tu-204 freighter with part of its outer wing obscured on purpose to give the impression of a refueling boom. I also suspect that it is the same former Air China Cargo example shown in Deino’s photo, the Chinese characters may or may not be real but even if they are that doesn’t mean it can’t be the same one, just repainted. Since the photoshopping is so heavy we have no way of confirming the location and given how deliberately misleading the retouching is, I’m not inclined to take any claims about it seriously.
I also agree that the Tu-204 is too light to be a good tanker (potentially about 20 tons of fuel offload at 1000nm) – although it is still better than the H-6U.
Airchina only got only a handful in service. and most is in storage.
CFTI may just get one as a test bed for their telescoping boom.
ultimately a variant of Y-20 would be the refueler boom carrier.
The answer to the orginal questions is:
why yes of course!
and if posed other way around, the answer is still :
why yes of course!
the best shield will defeat the best spear!
and the best spear will penetrate the best shield!
all hail the gods .
🙂
Here is a blurred out and intentionally censored image of a desk-top model of that particular SAC 601 4th (5th) Generation J-XX concept – as seen in the drawing posted by Blitzo et al. Rumor has it that SAC 601 offered two different concepts – the J-19 and the J-21 – the J-21 is the concept with the twin V-tail, like that on the American YF-23. The J-19 concept looked more like the YF-22 / F-22. But of course Chengdu CAC 611 won the competion for the contest with their J-20 – that we all now can see. But SAC 601 might still be pursuing their efforts with advanced combat aircraft – giving the Chinese PLAAF more options. Just like the open competion between the L-15 and the JL-9 series for an advanced supersonic trainer.
When I said “They” I didn’t mean 601’s stuff in particular.
there were some question wether to compete against all 4S of the 4S were wise; that it stood a better chance at technical program and tactical success if one sacrificed one of the “S”, the “super maneuverability”, make a fast, long range, stealthy missileer that is dependent on hit and run tactics. a YF-23 if you will.
611 demonstrated that it is possible, given the foreseenable propulsion and material science constraint, to achieve that extra S.
as far as I know the 2005 competition 601 offered one final concept not 2. and i believe it was a tri-plane.
Now I know some people are still interested in a long range fast fighter concept. may be that got revived? who knows.
i agree, there’s nothing serious about it so lets move on.
so why do you feel it has a similar role to the F-22?
It took Blitzo and you, what, 4-5 posts back and forth to get the joke.
you are seriously too serious.
lighten up. you came here for enjoyment.
A long range, high speed stealthy aircraft that can fly its way through enemy lines to destroy force multipliers to deny F-22s refuelling (can of worms here I know) and therefore win matches against the biggest challenge to PLAAF without fighting them — but maneuverable enough to duel with F-22 if they ever get into close range (it has doors for SRAAM for a reason) or need to fight their way out of sticky situations like the one above. And we all know how much PLAAF values close dogfighting skills.
But mostly it’s due to what we’ve been hearing over the years, the above paragraph is just my opinion.
looks like PLAAF appreciate the value of range in Pacific, unlike Some other airforces…
ok my last snicker at DoD for a while now.
Bill Sweetman has a point you know, F35 faces block obsolescent when facing oppositions like T-50 and J-20, and even F-22 is at best evenly matched. there is no dominance anymore thus put USAF in an uncomfortable position of using shear numbers, once again.
Time to restart a bid for 6th Gen fighter (GO Boeing!) and meanwhile dust off F-22 line and re hash a F/B-22 out of it. go for speed, range and firepower, forget maneuverability.
Anyway, J-19/SAC’s 4th gen anyone? :confused:
Posted by eagle over at CDF… Looks like a 5th gen F-15E
That’s 2005.