As a starter for 10
In the case of a fully or semi-autonomous UAV it requires the control system to implement the mission, which in term involves additional planning infrastructure
In the case of a remote controlled or semi-autonomous UAV it requires the ground station, additional ATC interaction and technology to deal with loss of (accidental or malicious) control links
Those technology exist today,
you can pretty much fly a civil airliner today, with out pilot’s intervention.
pilot’s flying would limit to…
pushing back from the gates, steer it onto the runway, powerup, push, rotate and hit V2.
rest of time a competently designed system can fly the waypoints via ATC management, all the way down to glidepath capture, autoflare and roll out, all can be flown by the aircraft system with out pilot intervention.
care to guess what are these same people who designed these systems doing on the military side?
vehicle technology wise there is nothing new.
More efficient ?
Well, they only do half of the job. The other half has to be done by the USA, UK, Germany and France… :p
Well, the swedes have an over riding requirement that stemed from their historical political stance, that is self efficiency in military arms.
in last half century that means combat fighters,
which means a domestic fighter capability that can be sustained through out time.
this does not mean they have to build everything in house… almost impossible and uneconomical. but with sufficient content so they are not beholden to anyone if push comes to shove…. that’s how the idea goes in the mid-20th century anyways.
so to say their fighter industry is not real because it relies on contents of others is really disingenuous.
@i.e.
Apples and Oranges. One thing to do a ~50 mil. EUR R&D program.
Hell, another ball game entirely to even fund a full scale technology demonstrator.
But a whole-scale fighter program, …
as I point out, SAAB people have ambition, something BAE doesn’t have. it is a necessary condition.
it’s remarkable, when you get down to it, how much money it really requires to put a state of art. fighter together. DoD and EuroConsortiums runs these multi-trillion behemouth of a program… doesn’t mean that’s the only way.:dev2:
@ppp
nanoc answered 1st part of your statement.
as for the 2nd part where you are saying bae has parts in other people;s airplane. fyi, having parts in other people’s fighter =/= having a airplane fighter.
as for the whole UCAV is superior 6th gen blah blah blahs.
as far as air vehicle technology goes, I dare any of you out there to point out what extra technology is required for a UAV and is absent on a manned-airplane.
Why do you think EADS went on the US tanker deal. They perfectly knew they would never get it in the first place.
Nic
… I donno about that, there are those in the defence department who are not really happy with the single supplier situation us military faces for its big logistics platforms.
The only consolation is that the navies of the world’s rising powers are by and large aspiring to follow the same path as the US Navy, much as a rising Germany was obsessed with emulating the grandeur of the Royal Navy’s battleships.
Not true in case of Soviet navy.
where tactical and geographical constraints forces it to adopt an (imho execellent) alternative.
The Swedish stealth Gripen is a University project and isn’t likely to go anywhere.
…
right now,
yes,
in couple of years, may not be.
Grippen people still have some ambition left in them… unlike their castrated Bae counterparts.
So why doesnt Dassault, BAe, EADS come up with their own low RCS fighter which Im sure would cost a lot less to buy and operate and equal the flight capabilities of the F-35.
Because,
for the lack of a better word….
Europe (non-french) doesn’t have the balls.
( to stand firm in face of US military industrial complex and all the political/alliance/securities arrangement it constantly dangle infront as a threat to go for a better alternative.)
I think it wouldn’t hurt to take a look at it from another direction…
for example an updated CAS aircraft in line of A Su-25.
or even a turboprop alternative?
Q-5 is just tooo old. of an platform.
That can have legal issues. US made some noise about the 737 conversion (IIRC the 737 was acquired via 3rd party). You are prohibited to convert planes acquired for commercial use into military purposes. Could even result in sanctions.
In the China’s case, they are already undersanctions for most military items so… why the **** do they care?
In India’s case. you can walk over to boeing and say you going to do this and you can either shutup or help us.
and boeing may even help you out.
just threaten to go to airbus instead.
they may even think it is a perfectally good business opportunity.
And saved weight – important on the E-2D.
one advantage of a rotating AESA array is that given a radome,you can mount a bigger array (vs a fixed, IL-76-Phalcon type of triangular array)
don’t think size of array doesn’t matter.
bigger array = bigger combined output power, more range, better angular resolution.
would be interesting to see how something like Su-25 fare over Libya
or a cessena caravan strapped with hellfires.
or a old dc-9 with JDAMs:D
I also read the article in the context of munitions. Cheap but accurate and usable munitions are just as much part of the cost picture. US and NATO countries use weapons that are meant to take out tanks, or fortifications, for stuff that needs 10% of the TNT. Laser guidance seems where it`s at for this role in terms of cost… Actually, maybe somebody can answer this question I`ve had for a while: Lasers can`t be used thru clouds, fog, etc. At least thru water vapor effects (not dust, smoke) wouldn`t X-Ray lasers, or masers, be a viable option as well? Why haven`t I heard anything about such a thing? 🙂 Airborne gun platforms are also another platform that is useful to have, yet doesn`t seem to be in any new developments past the C-130 gunship.
Guided concrete bombs!
as for masers part…
wouldn;t a mm-wave longbow hellfire your weapon?
or are you talking about a beam rider radar guided weapon?
something like a 40mm/70mm hydra rocket guided by something like a interfereometry beam rider? instead of semi-active laser like “Guided Advanced Tactical Rocket”???
Rotodomes provide true 360 degree coverage with uniform performance. Balance beam and slab side + bulbs do not; the Wedgetail for example has less accuracy fore and aft due to lower density of T/R modules. For some situations, e.g. a land war with a front, where you orbit in a racetrack, that is not much of a disadvantage; for blue water ops or control of very large areas of airspace, it is more significant.
I agree. that’s why isreali’s went to the L-band + S-band solution.
well if you were in charge, what would you suggest the PLAAF mount it on?
I would buy up all the 767 cargo jets I can get my hands on.
modular conformal array. and modular mission-crew modules.
plus a proteus type of aircraft with an long range L-band rotating array hung underneath as peace time survallence platforms.