Not to mention the J-15 will probably not be as refined as the original Su-33 in some areas being a first attempt and that too RE’ed. Put an AESA & new AAMs on the MiG-29 series (the RVV-BD comes to mind) and the bird can do fairly well even against larger types.

how do you know? just how the **** do you know for sure?

What the hell are you talking about? Do you think they constructed an accurate mathematical model without an accurate physical model? Er…no. They used the T-10K to construct an accurate J-15 wind-tunnel model (using classical physical similarity and dimensional analysis techniques), only then could it be subjected to the mathematical models which take into account the full 3-D viscosity of fluid motion (Navier-Stokes equations).

CFD would then be used to solve these equations by means of finite-difference methods (FDM), finite-element methods (FEM) and boundary-element method (BEM). Then, once the numbers have been crunched, an uber accurate model is constructed and subjected to ‘real-world’ analysis (in different flight regimes- see pic below) hopefully devoid of scale effects such as relative departures of Reynolds, Froude, Weber, Mach numbers.

So, in essence, the acquisition of the T-10K was a ‘gold mine’ of information and you should stop pretending otherwise.

yep you have no Idea with what I just said.

oh btw have you ever seen the difference between a cfd prediction CL/Cm curve vs a cryo tunnel results? if you have, what typically would happen?

or even more basic, generally what’s the mach effect on your typical CL/CM curves typically as mach number approach 1? you don’t even have to gone to cryo tunnel for that one,… if you have ever seen a set of real curves on a real aircraft you would answer that pretty easily right?

come on, it’s time to face the test.

and
What I said in that paragraph was a common challenge aerodynamicists faced in real problems. you don’t know what you don’t know so you use “hopefully” as a plan for dealing with these effects.

ah what’s the use.
you prob even don’t know what a cryo tunnel is, and how crucial that would be in predicting re-effects in development cycles. 😉

l just have to make a remark here,

Just look at the size and girth of that gear oleo tubes. 😮

does any one have a similar angle stock Su-27 and a Su-33 stock photo to show the difference between the 3?

Thanks a million.

you’re the one who said to thrust you

Look I usually warn people before they pull a fast one infront of my eyes, thinking they can get away with it. so they can have a chance.

never mind about this, I am too old for this **** anyways,

Actually, if you look at the last page 😉

opps.
Thanks TR1

I’m not sure. What would this give you over an armed L-15 version?

dirt cheap.

FYI,
on the record, I do not work for Chinese aerospace industry.
nor do I have any “special” connection to them.

having said that, I do read alot of stuff and have had the previlage to see and understand some of their work.

@Jō Asakura
you don’t really understand what you are talking about. thrust me.
if you ever had to deal with a real project where your CFD and your Re effects departs from each other the moment you hit cryo tunnel, you wouldn’t dare to put down the garbage that you have put down in post dated “4th November 2011 20:34”.

@BlackArcher.
there is prob 2 person on the internet that who can find out who I am and what I do for a living. It’s not sexy. but I value my privacy and relative anonymity above all else.