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  • in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363265
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    I’m perfectly willing to reconsider, if you could point me to a single example.

    look, all I’m saying is.

    people in the rest of the world, despite what some people think, are not that stupid.
    they have known about the system ever since LM first start handing out brochures at air shows, and I am very sure that they are not sitting on their behind and twiddling their thumbs.

    When I look backinto history of aviation I find plenty of example of self-deluded people assuring themselves that “certainly” this and “certainly” that, only find themselves up against other guy driving a better airplane than what you have when shooting starts.

    just a thought. 😀

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 3 #2363272
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    ROFL:D

    Someone in CD said it was flown today. credibility unknown.

    Personally I think they’ve done everything for this year, so may be after Chinese new year

    they prob have flown/shipped it to xianyang flight test center already.

    The T-50 flew approximately once a week before the move to Zhukovsky, I would expect the J-20 to proceed at a similar pace for the time being.

    The whole program is under the gun. I would up those assessment quite a bit.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363303
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    Well there are certainly no Gen 4/4.5 fighters that have anything(or have funding for) like the DAS/HMD combo. Perhaps the T-50/J-20 might, but it certainly has been mentioned as a feature yet. It’s not an easy feature to retrofit either, due to the size of the sensors, and required geometries.

    I love it when people say “certainly”. 😀
    It makes me wonder about the fog of war.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363312
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    It depends on the type of carriage, to whether there’s much penalty from the AAM(and pylons). If the foe forces you to drop your bombs, then your mission was unsuccessful. I am making statements that aren’t trying to be disengenuous. You’re entitled to your opinion- it just doesn’t happen to be shared by most Air Forces.

    F-35 will not drop its a2g payload it if its engaged in a a2a fight?

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363327
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    5. If the foe survives BVR, and merges, it will still have to deal with an agile fighter, with the ability to engage targets in all hemispheres, so it’s still not a given that a mission kill/kill will be the case.

    so what makes you think the other guy doesn’t have ability to engage in all hemisphere?

    why do we need fighters like performance ? just put this system on B-52 and go downtown. they should be fine right?

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363337
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    Because its the USAF, with huge global commitments that are not going to decrease, and a squadron is raised for a purpose, till that purpose exists so will the squadron,
    fighter squadrons are not infantry regiments.

    they can base a dozen B-2 in 2-3 spots in the world and hit anywhere in the world in 24 hours with a dozen jdams. … unless they are required to hit everyone at sametime, they are ok, which clearly is not the case. so that leaves one last scenario, that the planners sees number as important as individual quality, in a single conflict that involves a determined and technologically competent adversary with an sofisticated air defence system. the planners see quantity as important enough factor to ask for thousands of F-35 buys.

    if numbers were the game, you will see USAF getting a dramatic increase in the total number of 5th gen plane as other nations start fielding similar systems, .

    again, How many F-35 they are planning to field? :rolleyes:

    however you will see the US adopting all aspect broadband stealth fighters, with another evolution (generation) in (of) the electronics, that is their strength to lead, innovate.

    where is this new all aspect broadband stealth fighters, being adopted right now? where? 😮
    last time I checked Boeing is stilling peddling their 6 gen to the navy and whoever has cash.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363356
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    Once you start hanging ordinance on these “clean” fighters, then that “boxy” F-35 has the aerodynamic advantage, both in straight lines and when turning.

    uhhh…..
    that is a unqualified statement.
    :rolleyes:

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363358
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    If the F-16s are using afterburners to keep up, what do you suppose would happen once the F-35 goes to afterburner as well? The F-16 gets a ~12k lb increase in afterburner(and it’s already struggling to keep up). The F-35 gets a 16-23+k lb increase in full afterburner.
    Now mind you, these are all static, uninstalled numbers, which further blurs things, as we don’t know the installed figures, or at which altitudes the respective motors will perform most advantageously.

    PS- if you’re wondering about the 23+k figure, check the link on the F-135 vs F-136 thread.

    I wonder what’s the combat wingloading on 35A version is. vs a similar equip F-16.

    or rather… what’s the drag polar looks like.

    and I wonder why USAF choose the small wing 35A for…

    hey, the motor is big enough why not just go for the big wing 35C. you always have enough thrust to accel and hit your top speed right? 😉

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 3 #2363394
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    When’s the next flight?

    when the pilots and the engineers got over their hangovers.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 3 #2363397
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    Seems to be a strange tech demonstator as it doesn’t demonstate a critical technology, namely the weapons bays.

    this is engineering demonstrator #01.
    not all tricks are shown with the first dogs and pony show.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2363405
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    The first 2 mach birds, those are super “clean” when clean, adding a small tank an AAM did not suffer that much as a big boxy housing for bombs adds to the total RCS did in the first place. Thats why F-104, Mig-21 and Draken looks the way it does, and dont use internal loads.

    yeah, actually for stores you be surprised how much drag it did not add to the clean vehicle. some stores even add bit to the overall lift as the flow between stores creat some advantageous pressure distribution on the underside of the wing. and wing tip stores (missiles, and older planes tip fuel tanks) actually helps out alot. weights ofcource is always a minus.

    put stores all inside garantees you to have more weted area. you can certainly deligently manage the shape of that wetted area. but it is still more wetted area.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 3 #2363415
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    It has become quite clear that there are no weapons bays on this aircraft from looking at the latest pics.

    there are cover panels for bays. go look carefully. with jagged edges.

    although I don’t think the doors are production.

    it would a engineering nightmare if cavities and structures are not designed in early.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 3 #2363418
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    China, like the US, has an economy strong enough that they can choose not to export their best wares to fund current and future projects.

    export weapons especially high end ware implies political support and military alliance. even if there no explicit garantees.

    for all the supposed support of “rogue nations” that china gives, she is stil reluctant in providing high-end ware. to any of them. aware that such actions would jeopodize the freedom of action in these troublesome spots.

    Russia can stay calm. PAK-FA will make alot of money for them, 😉 now that India is somewhat unnerved too.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 3 #2363834
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    More Brass Arriving for banquet

    Left is Li Dongan Director of Tech Com. General Equip Dept.
    Right is member of central military commission, Command in Chief, PLAAF. Airforce Colonel General Xu QI Liang ,

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 3 #2363844
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    Left is Vice general manager (equivalent to VP) of AVIC aviation products. Li Yu Hai. Middle is Zong Rigang PLAAF Lt. General. General Equipt Depart. Technical Committee Sub Director.
    Right we should all know who it is: the chief designer and project leader for J-20 YangWei of CAC.

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