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  • in reply to: Embraer KC-390 #2333684
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    Not much that can be carried over. The idea to adapt the E190 wing was dropped very quickly: wrong characteristics.

    flight controls for one.

    in reply to: Embraer KC-390 #2333934
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    I think about it the other way around.

    Whoever operates the C-27J, could have little or no interest to induct a wholly new type, when opting for the C-130J you benefit from a large logistical commonality with the existing C-27J.

    Present and former users of old C-130, An-12 and so on, are the most likely customer for the KC-390, trading some rough airstrips capabilities for a native dual role transport/tanker and a more capable cargo compartment.

    speaking of logistical commonality.

    this airplane would be most likely be leveraged off E170/190 technology.

    in reply to: Chinese J-XX/14/20 p.2 #2333946
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    One the proposal of J-20?

    To me YF-23 was the first draft of a design concept; Northrop had some teething problems with both nacelles and wings which they corrected (in windtunnel at least) with their F-23 latest configuration before the ATF contract was awarded to LM.

    yes. in idea.

    The idea is that in engine they realized that they will lag behind its potential competitor for the foreseenable future. so if all work under same physics, in order to be a effective counter something has to be sacrificed. one of the early idea was obviously to trade back manueverbility requirement and gain speed and make it a “missileer”.

    sorta like Mitsubishi A6M type Zero in idea. couldn’t find a good 1200 hp engine, so armour has to be sacrificed. 😎

    in reply to: Export orders J-20 vs PAK-FA??? #2333959
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    We should also remember that Shenyang is (probably, if what has been mucking around on the internet for the past few months is to be believed) developing some sort of single engine fifth generation light fighter aircaft program. This may be better suited for export than the J-20 but of course this would depend if this was real or not.

    to shed some light.

    Shenyang lost the heavies competition (theirs was a tri-surface proposal) and now is concentrating on J-15, i.e. putting Flanker on Varyag.
    they have proposed a twin engined mid sized alternative trying to sell to the navy. as a follow on to J-15. but no luck so far.

    oh they are in some tough days now. seeing their once protege (Chengdu was once a spin-off of Shenyang) beating them and almost dominating the fighter market.

    in reply to: Chinese J-XX/14/20 p.2 #2334011
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    Both the South Korea K-FX and Chinese J-20 chose similar canard designs for their stealths. Let’s keep everything in perspective. There will be no less than three stealth fighters in the 2020 time frame. China, Japan, and South Korea will all complete the ground work for a stealth fighter in the next decade. Japan will not only have their own design, but they will likely field the F-35.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qn2M0fyLEeo/TG7F1N0IXmI/AAAAAAAAAG8/r_b1ha9wyqw/s1600/kfx-201.jpg

    And China is supposed to be using TVC just like the Japanese ATD-X. It looks like China’s will be the biggest of the three. J-20 should have 50% more thrust – and therefore ‘power’ – to work with over both South Korea’s K-FX project 201 (KAI) and Japan’s ATD-X Shinshin (by Mitsubishi). Japan’s demonstrator is supposed to be small, actually only similar in size to their F-2 fighter. (The Japanese final design, depending on their perceptive need at that point, may be larger like the J-20.) South Korean doesn’t have near the progress that Japan or China has made in their programs. And it appears that Japan will have all the pieces in place for a plane far in advance of the others, BUT the government isn’t providing the necessary funds to actually fly one.

    J-20 probably set off a minor arms race in North East Asia. But when it comes down to it I think none of them will have a huge arm up on any other. In reality, the J-20 will probably far exceed the others in raw quantity therefore overcoming any shortcomings it may have in other areas. But since Japan will also have the F-35 supplementing their ATD-X the larger quantity claim may be dubious at best.

    as far as size goes. the key is engine.
    all the information pointing to WS-15 as squarely a F-135 class engine.
    with all the T/W ratio to match.

    On nearly all the previous programs (j-10 included) they have a problem of engine coming up short eventually retarding the overall program,
    to avoid the pitfall this time, they actually started the engine program much eariler. with a techonology program modeled on the american (IHPTET/ADVENT) technology programs to boot. this is a big wide front push. from theoritical to material sci to tooling/manufacturing.

    I doubt SK and JP has any industrial programs near this scale.

    They have funding and they have the will and they are intelligent people.

    in reply to: what aircraft can be considered over engineered? #2334023
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    Nearly all of today’s combat aircraft, so called 4, 4.5, 5th generation aircraft combine the roles of “bomber, fighter and intercepter” in the very same aircraft – even the F-22 can carry out a strike mission. The F-4 was a successful multirole aircraft 45 years ago…

    multirole is fine with me, the question is always cost.
    F-16 is designed as a good air to air fighter. but for most of its missions it dropped bombs.
    same with F-4, F-4 was designed to intercept russian bombers stalking CVs, but most of its combat missions were in Vietnam dropping napalms and tangle with Mig-17s.
    now if we really designed a fighter-bomber that tailored to what it eventually did, then one would need much less of it and the requirement would drive less cost.

    in reply to: what aircraft can be considered over engineered? #2334049
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    You’re comparing Sixties technology with today’s – there was no such thing as relaxed stability ‘fly-by-wire’ in the F-111’s day.

    and ” relaxed stability ‘fly-by-wire’ “
    does not make any thing necessarily “complex. “
    often than not it can be leveraged to provide simpler over all design.

    in reply to: what aircraft can be considered over engineered? #2334052
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    You’re comparing Sixties technology with today’s – there was no such thing as relaxed stability ‘fly-by-wire’ in the F-111’s day.

    no, I am talking about squeezing all the requirement into a single platform and its associated cost.

    the cost of develope a bomber, a interceptor and a fighter. is not same as a develope a single platform that can do all three.

    some times it is less, some times it is more.

    in reply to: Chinese J-XX/14/20 p.2 #2334058
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    actually the Koraens chose the KFX-101 design which is conventional lay out

    looks like a pimped up KAI T-50 Golden Eagle. 😎

    in reply to: Export orders J-20 vs PAK-FA??? #2334085
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    people,
    get serious here.

    as far as 5th generation manned fighter goes.
    US (Lockheed Martin) basically operate in a captive market here.
    So is PAK-FA.

    there is no real point to talk about export orders PAK-FA vs J20.

    all the traditional chinese weapons export can fall into two categories.
    1) 60-70s export to allied 3rd world countries fighting their wars of liberations. and..
    2) 80s-90s defense plants to make some cash to support their grossly underfunded military industrial complex.
    with sprinklings of 3). support traditional allies.

    the urge to do 1) is gone. the urge to do 2) is still there but only in those smaller organization in the periphery of core-military industrial complex (big ship builders, tanks, and jets) and 3) still there, but NK,MY, and Iran axis of evil etc, will not get the goodies west presume china will give to them.

    some one mentioned sukhoi sets up SSJ and nice package etc. neat.
    well, sukhoi does not provide the complete infrastructure package.
    we are not talking about commerical jets plus fighters combo.
    we are talking about complete turn key solution to your infrastructure needs:
    4G telecom, Fiber backbones, High speed and freight rail. rail stations, Ports, ships, Airports, subways link them to urban core, power plants , Roads, highways, regional jets that lands on those airports, A320 size 919s. A330 size 929s. all the way down to the trinckets they sell at airports. all backed up with below prime loan backed up by your country’s resource rights.

    Royal Dutch Shell has nothing on these guys!

    oh those evil chinese, oh terror. why couldn’t they just sell weapons of war like some!

    in reply to: F-4 vs F-104 #2335863
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    Sorry…I don’t understand what you are trying to say.

    Yes, if you don’t mind. My F-104 energy data doesn’t cover altitudes above 20,000′ or so.

    Or you could just say what you mean by “better energy fighter”.

    Did you co-worker happen to mention that nobody flew the F-4 or F-104 at these altitudes other than in tests and in training? The only time I ever saw 40,000′ in either aircraft was in initial training where the instructor was demonstrating high altitude performance.

    Of course. I’m not making comments based on what somebody else may or may not have known anything about.

    OK…I met Chuck Yeager once.

    ok great.

    hats off to you.
    ..

    nice to meet you.

    in reply to: Chinese J-XX/14/20 p.2 #2336432
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    ATF studies started in 1970…

    F-23 probably had more weight yes, but refined aerodynamics.

    actually i am a big fan of YF23.

    it’s shame that the platform wasn’t developed fully to its potentials.

    ….

    actually one the the proposal was very close to YF23 in idea: speed range stealth over manueverbility.

    in reply to: Chinese J-XX/14/20 p.2 #2336433
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    Hmm:

    http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/mig/25/pd/images/300/mig25_4.jpghttp://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k90/in_a_coma_dial_999/j20crop.jpg

    Family resemblance? 😉

    dig up F-15 😎

    Its the high wing and the large side intake that does the trick.
    ….

    Is it me or those engine exhaust nozzles are undersized a bit?

    in reply to: F-4 vs F-104 #2336437
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    You made no such point. Instead, you opined about what a fighter-bomber might do if attacked. Now you have changed direction and are opining about what an escort fighter might do. Which is it?

    You did, however, offer an opinion about F-4 vs F-104 high altitude combat that you have yet to explain.

    context.

    sens mentioned that A/G determines where in the enevelope A/A engagement will be. I simply offered that only determines the one side’s initial starting point in the envelope.

    F-104 was a better energy fighter at high speed and altitudes, than comparable F-4s. do you require me to dig out charts?

    I see you have a F-104 patch as your avatar. did you drive a star fighter?

    I did some work with some one who was intimately involved in F-4.

    in reply to: what aircraft can be considered over engineered? #2336514
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    [QUOTE=Levsha;1681528]F-35 over-engineered? It might be a complicated aircraft, but it is doing the job normally given to 3 different aircraft designs, so on the whole, it’s actually simplifying things and making things more cost effective…
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    uh….

    any one besides me feeling de javu all over again?

    heard that somewhere before… ah, right, F/A/B-111.

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