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  • in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337264
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    Nanchang is now Hongdu. It was traditionally one of the most innovative Chinese design/manufacturing houses. Usually low funded projects that turned out pretty well.

    Their line of products — CJ6, Q-5 and K-8 — actually have a pretty good reputation in relation to funding.

    Yes, but their Q-5 line is winding down and L-15 will not be a combat fighter replacement for Q-5 or the lowend .
    they ( meaning their tactical fighter R/D capability) can not subsist on L-15.
    They are working on UCAVs.

    Interesting there was a idea to traineriz the FC-1 (twin seat, more structure life) flowing around but L-15 won out.

    Guizhou is the more vulnerable one. I would rather see that capability rolled into Chengdu or something like that. they already co-operate on the FT-2000 project anyways.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337284
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    http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20101229/161986565.html

    The future of China’s fifth-generation stealth fighter

    I can not believe some one intelligent wrote this. :confused:

    anyone who glance around these material knows WS10 is not a AL31 clone for one.
    and China probably has better flight control computers HW/SW for its fighters.
    Material wise they are making a huge push in composites. as well as metals and forging facilities.
    Radar… well, any one who read anything in this field should know 14th institute in nanjing and what it is worth.

    china may be lagging in some capabilities. but they have both the width and depth in their programs.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337288
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    Oh hell some body got a taxi video. up close. :diablo:

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337293
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    SR-71 was visible on air traffic control radars at hundreds of miles distance, even with transponder turned off.

    therefore the qualifier “reasonably”. a reasonably good attempt was made based on 50-60s technology.

    you guys can not be seriously thinking that stealth and speed are incompatible do you?

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337298
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    btw, you guys know that Chengdu has a globalhawk-esque UAV program right? 😉

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337302
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    Agreed! China has proved its rapid advancement in this field. The days when it produced overwieght, underpowered and technologicaly obsolete fighters are long gone.
    At the moment all we have to go on the J-20 are incomplete visuals – comparing visuals alone it more than holds its own against any of its peers.

    😀 they are still making two seater Q-5s. that’s an ” overwieght, underpowered and technologicaly obsolete fighters”, not everything in china is shiny.
    There are still alot of legacy programs that they will keep in pipeline for nothing if just to keep the manufactures alive.

    but have no doubt they are making a big pushing. order of technical competence in tactical platforms: CF-SF-XF-Nanchang-Guiyang.
    with the last two holding on to older programs/derivatives. but have their sights on UAVs.

    SF is executing the J-15, XF is … well. 😎

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337365
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    IMO the key feature to know if this plane will be successful or not is it weight.

    And right now, it looks heavy

    I recall saying in the pakfa thread that russians had better to design (IMHO) a delta wing for a medium/light airframe, and this is confirmed, since the pakfa is ‘smaller’ than the su-27 (said by its test pilot)

    I recall that if russians wanted to design a heavy class fighter , they better had to go with the su-27 wing, later I found that diagram for a clearly heavier fighter with f-22’s like intakes, faceted flanker nose, and su-27 wings.

    It was logic

    the J-20 has a delta and seems to be a heavy plane…

    Is not a good sign IMO

    Anyways let’s wait and see, people here is so much worried for the stealth thing, and probably some chinese engineers are thinking that this plane is doomed from the beginning because more mundane factors (ie, real life)

    Of course, if the program is aiming a fighter

    if I remember correctly, J-10’s 1st prototype was with in 100 kg of its designed weight. the same team that does J-20 now has gone through now 2.5 programs (J-10, FC-1, J-10B), in less than 20 years. I would guess the probability that it would be overshoot its weights target would be kinda low.

    planeform area may look deceptively small. and its sides are broad single wedge, and with an top wing design. thus give one the impression of “heavy”.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337446
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    According these photos, with unpainted J-10 (¿photoshop?), perhaps variable geometry on the J-20 air intake?…

    Regards from Spain.

    intake cover.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337459
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    Those massive all moving verticals are not going to be good for stealth.

    well, a all moving surface is always better than a bigger non-moving surface with a hinged rudder. rcs/drag/weight wise.
    trick is you have to up your hingemoment capability and reliability of your actuators.

    the rudder is good for 2 things
    1) side slip capability at low speed, and 2) provide added lateral stability at all envelopes-with an augmented flight control of course.

    at higher cruise speed/high dynamic pressure. those rudder/surfaces will not move much as they do in the pictures. dynamic pressure, hingemoment limitations/no-need for huge sideslips.

    only at lowspeed/low dynamic pressure they are realisticly required to move that much to generate required/desired sideslip. but at lowspeed one doesn’t need get crazy about stealth… the ****** is in his windshoield so a AIM-9X will do just fine.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337466
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    Well in the end Carlo Kopp is certainly no Mike Sparks and there is much he writes about which is rightly quoted in publications including AFM. There is much on his website when it comes air defence systems and UAVs that is very good.

    So indeed take his opinion in certain areas with a pinch of salt!

    well, he is not an industry insider.
    He hasn’t done any programs. that’s the key.

    Hornet is a delight to fly because of highly augmented nature of its flight control system.
    any good fighter design post F-16 worth its sticker price will have carefree and begnin flight characteristics. upto and include the very edge of envelope. the engineers has done all the work for ya.

    the real kicker will be how to leverage the sophisticated flight control to trade traditional Stability and control requirements into RCS and performance gains. while still preserve that feel that the pilot is still flying something like a cessena 172.

    smaller rudder, relaxed stability, etc etc, with flight control these things translate into dBs and lbs and range and payload… not just tighter turns and crazy nose pointing at an airshow.

    on that front, from all the information gathered, I think Mr. Yang Wei and Mr. Song did an good job of leveraging and trading flight control for dB and performance gains. imho.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337551
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    The F-22 has done M1.7 without AB (though almost certainly with no weapons on board and with with probably half empty fuel stores). High mach numbers like that are the 5th gen reality.

    YF23 is even better.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337557
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    Gosh I just can not believe the amount of stuff that’s coming out.

    I can’t keep up with the photos. 😮

    every time I look there is a new and better photo.

    some one purportly has a taxi video too.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337559
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    Damn! Forgive me quote the photo again, it’s just like a machine coming out from Transformer:D

    😀
    Those actuator ram must be huge. 😮

    wonder what hydraulic pressure does it run on? 5000psi? two pairs of all moving surfaces with alot of hingemoments to take care of…

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337568
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    You realize I’m talking about IR signature right?

    In that case then yes you are right.
    but to realize the potential range of IR on par with Radar, one still have to wait a few years.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2337586
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    How could you possibly remain stealthy living at Mach 2?

    SR-71 does so reasonablly well at M3

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