j_jza80

Sorry but that really is rubbish.

Without the “unoffical” assistance from the States we would have lost.

The U-boats would have won the battle of the Atlantic. No fuel for us and game over.

We had no troops ourselves after Dunkirk nor any supplies.

We only managed to stay in war production thanks to materials that came over the Atlantc from North America.

Ummmmm

In my hunble opinion the British people only really vote on one issue. And that is the amount of money in people’s pockets.

They wont vote on reasoned arguments.

Thats why TB kept on getting re-elected.

Peeople are really feeling the pinch now and dont like they way the bankers have been left off the hook.

What ever the rights and wrongs are if this coilition breaks down there will be a change in Government.

If however, Cameron calls for a referendum and takes us out of the EU he will retain power especially if he gets to go for a snap election after such a result.

Thats when it goes so pear shaped I dont want to think about it.

Unemployment will become astronimic and society as we know it today will break down. I promise you.

Oh and one other thing, have a peak at the current polls the Torries have been trailing noticebly for some time now. That said Edd Balls scares me. Maybe however the correct Millibrand will take over (boy did the unions c@ck up there).

Well, we are not going to agree on economic principals and practises.

However they do say if you put 3 economists in a room you will get 4 diffrent opinions.

I also concede that you raise a couple of very interesting points (or at least allude to them).

AA/ Is it possible that should Cameron stick to his current position that Nick Clegg will bring the coilition down? I dont think Clegg has anything to loose anymore and this is possible. Perhaps unlikely, but possible. What would replace it ? I think it would be another coilition, but this time with Labour. You might not like it. But, yep, its possible.

BB/ A referendum.
Which in this country would result in the UK pulling out of the EU altogether. I have no doubts about that.
From my point of view this would bring a total social and economic disaster for this country. I hope I am wrong, I really do but I honestly dont think so.

j_jza80

In 1943 German production was still increasing year on year………

Have a read of Albert Spier’s book.

We are net importers of oil and particularly gas. Our reserves in these fields are deminishing and there will be little if anything left in 15 to 20 years, if that.

Asia are exporters we cannot hope to compete with that market since our labour costs are astronomic in comparison.

I see very little market in North Africa, Lybia, Morocco, Tunis, Algeria nd Egypt, sorry little or nothing there for us.

As for the service sector I suppose we are looking at the financial markets. I believe that by taking his current stance Cameron believes he is trying to protect the city.

However I believe that should we take on an isolationist approach much of the city will end up moving to Frankfurt and Paris.

I’m really sorry but I just dont get the “Our law and business practices are probably peerless world wide.” bit.

We used to excel in pharmacuticals and chemicals I grant you. But the majority of such business have moved abroad. I’ll stay away from the moral arguments regarding phramacuticals.

In a nut shell our labour costs are to expensive to compete. All post war Governments have concentrated in making short term profits rather than producing long term ecomomic stratergy. We cannot exist simply by selling coffee to each other.

Please do not get the idea that I believe Europe is the pancia that will solve all our problems.

Alas we do not have the economic strength to survive on our own. Sorry !

Excellent Paul…..I like your style.

I think I’m going to start a new thread about the 1940 invasion.