Despite the Iranian regime’s official anti-Communist stance (the Communist Party is officially banned in Iran), there are persistent rumors that one or perhaps several IRIAF F-14A were delivered to the Soviet Union in exchange for other arms assistance. At least one Iranian F-14A crew has reportedly defected to the Soviet Union. There is every reason to believe that the F-14A, its AWG-9 fire control system, and its Phoenix missiles were completely compromised at this time. An examination of the Phoenix supposedly helped the Soviets to build the Vympel R-33 (known in the West as AA-9 Amos) long-range missiles which arm the MiG-31 Foxhound. However, Gennadiy Sokolovskiy of the Vympel Design Bureau denies that the R-33 was based on the AIM-54 Phoenix, maintaining that he has never actually seen a live Phoenix.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f14_6.html
It can also be verified on TLC, History Channel, Military Channel/Wings, Ect.
I think one should actually compare both AIM-54 and R-33 designs and see if you can find any commonality between the two missiles. Quite frankly, I don’t see much commonality at all.
R-33 AA-9
AIM-54
Both missiles have almost completely different guidance systems. The Phoenix uses fully-active radar homing – it’s got its own little baby radar inside. The R-33 on the other hand, uses semi-active radar homing, which would make it a quite different guidance set up from the Phoenix’s.
You need to study a little more. hehe The early version of the AIM-54 was the AIM-47. The early version was SARH, later versions could be supplemented with active radar or IR for terminal guidance. Some of the later versions also had a data link.
The AIM-47 the predecessor to the AIM-54 shot down 12 of 13 targets. One incredible look down kill was from a YF-12 going mach 3.2 @ 75K feet it hit it’s target over 80 miles (140 km) away flying at an altitude of 1.2k feet.
Another AIM-47 kill was under incredible look down conditions, it was launched from an YF-12 @ 74.4K feet @ mach 3.2 and hit a target that was just flying at an altitude of just 500 feet.
I didn’t say they were identical. Just becase they are copies doesn’t mean they are going to be identical. They seem to be copies, just not as good.
Analogy: The “magnificent seven” is a copy of the “Seven Samurai”, “A Fistful of Dollars” is a copy of “Yojimbo”. Are they exactly the same? Of course not. Do they look the same? Of course not. Are they copies?, absolutely.
The Americans had much more advanced electronics, there is no way that Russia could have copied the electronics exactly at the time, so they mimicked the electronics the best they could and compromised. Most of the Russian aircraft at the time were using tubes, whereas the Americans were mostly using semi conductor’s. I suspect since Russia’s electronics were so primitive that the time, that is why they resorted to using SARH.
The West even scoffed at the Russians until it was pointed out that the primitive Russian aircraft and lack of semiconductors made them more survivable after a nuclear strike. From then on, part of the military specs was resistance to EMP, so generally today’s semi conductors are more resistant to EMP. I digress.
AIM-47 & AIM-54
“I know that this is not my case but,ATFS_Crash i found your post very rude and offensive.For me your post contain insult that is against the Aviation forum Code of Conduct and not appropriate for this forum.This is not the first time i see this kind of posts from you.Also i think that martinez is well respected in the forum(also by me) and his post are not childish or meaningless to deserve such treatment.And the question of the thread is not “what fighter have the best colision survival story”,but more is “are MiG-29 and Su-27 the most effective/advanced”.In this context the above picture is just plain stupid.”
You’re showing unfair bias. I was merely debunking his lies, innuendo and slanderous propaganda. I didn’t even mention the anti-Semitism in his post.
My posts may have not been all that kind, but I was merely responding to his inflammatory post without sinking to his level.
Analogy. It is not slander to call Hitler a murderer.
Sure my post could be considered a violation of the message board terms, but it is less of an offense then yours or martinez.
Analogy. A while back a police officer was pursuing a suspect, when the suspect threatened to attack the police officer with a brick. The police officer shot the suspect. The public made an outcry that the police officer murdered a suspect; the media and the public claimed the brick wasn’t a deadly weapon, and could not harm the police officer. The police officer didn’t have a stun gun or pepper spray (this happened a while ago), so the police officer had no other reasonable means to defend himself. In my opinion the police officer was justified in defending himself from a threatening suspect. I beg to differ with the public and media, is a brick going to kill you less dead than a gun?
The analogy doesn’t quite fit as nice as I would like it to and is pretty abstract. I’m almost sure you will not agree with the analogy, but I suspect many people will silently agree.
I don’t see how in your mind you consider it all right to lie, slander, make subversive innuendo, anti-Semitism. Yet you consider it unconscionable to stand up to attacks, using the truth. You seem to think it’s OK to bash Jews and bash Americans, but you consider it wrong for them to stand up against the bashing. Bigoted hypocrisy.
I am not even Jewish, and I can see his remarks are offensive.
Most of the post I made was relative to the lifting body subject. How come you think it’s OK or others to start relevant tangents, but it’s not OK for me to comment on their comments in the same relevance? How come you think it’s OK for other people to bring out totally irrelevant subjects, yet you complain when I debunk their claims?
I’m sure the mods don’t like my post, however both of yours is much worse.
So, why these two F-15s have not flown back then??
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3891823241542584312If that ever happened in real the jewish pilot deserves the tribute rather than the american plane. In 99% of mid-air accidents when a wing is lost end that way, but whenever a Jew flies the aircraft he will land safely even with both wings ripped off. 😀 Anyway, it happened during a taxiing mishap or whatever on the ground and after they fabricated the mid-air story making fools out of people. Remember, if you tell a lie often enough it will become true.
You are a fraud or and you don’t know what you are talking about.
The video you posted seems to be a fake. A rational person would not expect a major midair to result in an aircraft being able to return. Your typical midair is not going to just damage one wing. Your claim that the Israeli F-15 was in a ground collision is also a fraud.
F-16 Mid-Air Collision This is the true and unaltered version of the “F-15 Mid-Air Collision” , sent to us by Daryl Hower, one of the pilots involved in this famous mid-air collision between an F-16A and a Marine F-4 Phantom.
F-15 Mid-Air Collision.: Your video is a partial fake.
Here are the comments of the pilot (Daryl Hower) of the aircraft involved in this collision:
“(Technical Advisor) Tony Clay suggested I send this to you to correct a gross mistake in the video that is on your website concerning the ‘F-15 Mid-air’. It is nothing of the sort.”
“This copy is an altered version of the original, I know because it came from MY aircraft and I was the one who bailed out. It was a mid-air, true, but my aircraft was an F-16A and the other aircraft which impacted me was a Marine F-4.”
“The collision took place over the Yellow Sea off the West coast of South Korea on December 15, 1982. The apparent impact aircraft in the video currently on your website has been digitally superimposed into the original footage. The original footage is attached as a wmv file (See it, below) of less than good quality, but if you would desire a better copy, I may be able to burn a DVD of it. Please let me know, and for goodness sakes, correct the description on your website if possible.”
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Your claim that the Israeli F-15 was in a ground collision is also a fraud. Below is the real story of the incident.
Here is the real story of the F-15 that had a midair and was able to return safely. Note that most of the video is a reenactment. The story and the still photos are genuine, unlike yours.
F-15 No Wing And A Prayer (Clipped Wing) (No Wing) Video
Remember, if you tell a lie often enough it will become true.
That is your philosophy, the philosophy of a pathological liar.
Wise men say “if you lie often enough, you will get caught” like you did. You made a fool of yourself; I only pointed it out.
The A-12 is the best lifting body fighter. It was semi stealth and could go over mach 3. So as you see it is just a matter of opinion. Apples and oranges.
This is some other awesome footage, however the plane in this video doesn’t really have a lifting body, nor does it have major wing damage. Nonetheless, it is awesome and real.
F-16 Hits Trees At Ridgeline. With after mishap photos. Video
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