Here is a pic of a greek seaplane glider,the ‘Gliding Fish’ Anemopsaro of the late 60s/early 70s.
Interesting to read that the waterlogged towrope was a big problem.
for more info:
http://www.paragliding.gr/gliding/htm-files/build.htm
Several ROW hanggliders were also built,f.E. the Aerostructures Skiplane:
Last but not least also Gabriel Voisin also had a glider boat that he flew in June,1905 towed by a motor boat.
Another example ist the PG-1 Aqua Glider Explorer ‘Bayou bird’ constructed in 1959.
http://www.sailplanedirectory.com/PlaneDetails.cfm?planeID=257
The Peel Glider Boat Corporation in the U.S. also built approx.30 examples of their biplane glider.
One example is at the Airventure Museum.
Another flying boat glider built in Germany was the DFS Jacht 71.
Main reason for the construction of these type of gliders was to be able to instruct and fly at places that had large bodies of water but no airstrips.(construction costs/maintence costs,heavily wooded areas).
Here’s some more famous pioneering brothers:
Rene & Alphonse Caudron
Henri & Maurice Farman
Oswald, Horace and Eustace Short
Gabriel & Charles Voisin
John & Reginald Duigan
Paul & Pierre Lebaudy
Henri & Armand Dufaux
Albert & Gaston Tissandier
EDIT:
Just noticed some of these have been named already.
Hello MerlinPete,
D-EBCQ(ex-Vx190,ex-G-ALUA) is the only example to have flown in the UK to my knowledge and is currently stored at the outpost of the ‘Deutsches Museum’ in Schleißheim and D-EBCG at the Aviation Museum in Schwenningen.
I would like to find out more about the accident of Heinz Bär,I have only read accounts on the internet about his fatal crash while doing aerobatic maneuvers-this description is obviously more than vague!
The Technical University in Braunschweig where Prof.Winter developed and built the Zaunkönig is no longer in posession of any of the the drawings.
These were sold by Mrs.Winter after the death of her husband in 1968 to Sweden to a Mr. L. Johansson with the last Zaunkönig V-4(D-EBCG),the V-4 was brought back to Germany by Erwin Biesinger(as was D-EBCQ) where the plans went after that is unclear.
I would contact the Deutsches Museum in Munich and query them.
If you chance upon anything concerning the drawings…pls let me know!
cheers,
Dennis
Yes,this is definetely the ‘Heldenplatz’ in Vienna.
When Austria joined Germany,Hitler made his speech at this location.
Dark times!
greetings from Vienna,
Dennis
More on the flying qualities of the Taube from aviation pioneer Hellmuth Hirth and noted test pilot Heiner Neumann(from an article in “Aerokurier” and Hirth’s Meine Flugerlebnisse).
Neumann’s quotes pertain to D-Etri,Ex-Fürstenwalde;and Hirth’s an original Etrich Taube in Wiener Neustadt.
Hirth,1912 original:
“Die Verwindung ist bei einer so stabilen Maschine wie es die Taube ist,nur für den Notfall da.Ich selbst habe die Verwindung nur gezogen,um zu sehen,ob sie wirke,und anfangs bei starken Windstössen,bis ich schliesslich merkte,dassich sie auch in den schärfsten Böen nicht brauchte.Die Verwindung wurde aber beibehalten,um dem Flieger mehr eine Art moralischen Halt,eine Reserve für den Notfall zu geben,in denen ein gschickter Führer sich auch mit dem Seitensteuer begnügt”
Translation:
“The wing warping mechanism is only here for emergencies on a plane as sturdy as the Taube is.
I only used the warping to see if it works and also for gusty conditions,until I noticed that I dind’t need it even in the gustiest conditions.
The warping was kept to give the aviator a moral help and a reserve for an emergency,in which a skilled aviator needs only the rudder”
Heiner Neumann:
“Kleine Ausschläge der Verwindung führten jedoch zu unübersichtlichen Reaktionen und Aufschaukeln um Längs und Hochachse.
Es war sofort klar,dass die Quersteuerung am besten nicht benutzt wurde”
Translation:
“Small movements of the warping led to unclear reactions and popoising over the longitudinal and lateral axis. It was immediately clear that the lateral control was best not used”
He also mentions strong adverse yaw,which can only be corrected by holding the warping control absolutely still.
Through the long span the aircraft wants to roll into a turn,but doesn’t have a pronounced spiral instability.
But he also says that a spin in the Taube would be uncorrectable.
I saw a video of D-Etri at ILA a few years ago,where the Taube got in the wake of the Albatros B.I(also from Fürstenwalde),quite interesting!
Hm. Was the original plane a pure flying wing, or did it already have a tail horizontal stabilizer and elevator?
The original Taube was not a flying wing,but its predecessors the Etrich-Wels Zanonia & Etrich 1 were when they started out.
The Etrich-Wels Zanonia was a pure flying wing and was later modified to add a canard and then a a fin with rudder.
The Etrich 1 started out with the Zanonia macrocarpia wing planform and a canard,the canard was removed later and a fin and stab added.
The Etrich 2 “Taube” is a different aircraft,but also sported a Zanonia based wing planform.
This aircraft has “survived” and is displayed at the technical museum in Vienna,Austria.
And yes,it has a fin as well as a rudder!!
Fin size didn’t change much on the original Etrich-Tauben,in my opinion it was more than just a hint when compared with other contemporary aircraft.
The rudder is also mentioned in Igo Etrich’s Patent for the wing of the Etrich Taube.(Kais.königl.Patentamt Patentschrift Nr.51064,handed in Sept. 11,1909)
Original Quote from line nr.48:
“Am Ende des Schwanzhöhensteuers ist das Seitensteuer 7 in bekannter Weise angebracht,an dessen lotrechter Drehachse sich unten ein Rad 30 befindet,das Berührungen des Steuers mit dem Erdboden verhindert”
Translation:
” At the end of the tail elevator control is the rudder 7 in conventional matter,at the perpendicular axis of rotation is wheel 30,which prevents contacts of the control surfaces with the ground”
The control of the rudder is via a pulley as shown on the picture of the replica I posted(same as on original).
I will try to get some 3views and pics scanned and post them here if you want.
cheers,
Dennis
Here’s the control cable layout for the 1911 Rumpler Taube,from the contemporary “Flugsport”.
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/rumpler_taube_1911.jpg
But wasn´t it said that it had no rudder, nor fin?
I posted a pic of the tailfeathers above.
The precursor to the Etrich Taube,the Etrich-Wels Zanonia “Praterspatz” which led to the Taube started out as a flying wing but was later modified to sport some tailfeathers.
The nose contours surely are a far cry from the original but easier than finding a 90hp Austro-Daimler.
As far as wing warping goes,it was best left alone,Rudder was preferred.
I talked to Heinz Linner who was involved in the build of the Taube at Fürstenwalde and he said the same thing Hellmuth Hirth mentioned(not to me of course :p ).
For anyone interested in the Taube’s flight qualities and malices Hirth wrote up an account in “Meine Flugerlebnisse”,well worth it if you can get a copy.
Here’s a pic of an Etrich-Lohner Type F replica(powered by a Walter minor instead of the 90hp Austro-Daimler)which was built sometime in the early eighties I believe and is now stored at the Aviatik Museum in Wiener Neustadt.
Still sports a drip pan but surely looks like it hasn’t flown in a while.
Thanks, gents!
As far as the Barracuda beeing ugly-In my opinion she’s got loads of character
with the big wing,the four bladed prop,the odd looking lg and the highset tailplane… :diablo:
Sure would be nice to see a complete aircraft in a collection.
Are there any plans to restore the rest of the example thats at Yeovilton?
Has there been any progress on the pinpointing of the ones off the coast of Trinidad?
cheers,
Dennis