655 (52-655) 6th sqn
As far as I know, the bird has never flown with this camouflage.
That’s absolutely correct.
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Well Al Qahira 300 is written on the museum aircraft. The HA-200 was NOT called “Al Qahira” it was called “Al Qahira 200” That is a big difference, i.e. the last designation could be interpreted as one model of a series of aircraft (like the Mirages)
Whatever the number Fabe. The point is that no HA-300 was ever designated or locally called “Al Qahirah” -300. That name belongs to the trainer HA-200B designed by the Spanish HASA and built under license by Helwan in Egypt. There are plenty of pictures of those two-seater in EAF markings wearing the arabic lettering القاهرة (Al Qahirah)painted on the fuselage sides.
By the way… thanks a lot again for your pictures! 🙂
It is wrong to say that the words Ha-300 mean Helwan, but mean Hispano Avicion HA-300.That the plane is known as the design of the Spanish – German foundation, however, that the project was transferred to Egypt, and as I explained earlier, a known history. However, the plane, known in Egypt Al Qahirah-300.
By the way the model presented in a German museum, markings of the Egyptian air force is wrong. As the Insignias of the Egyptian air force in the sixties of the last century with the two Stars in the roundel, as well as the Egyptian flag. And can recognize the difference between the original and the model through the images below.
Hello Tango. I’m afraid what you’re saying is not entirely accurate.
If you read carefully, you will realize that I never said that “HA” abbreviation didn’t mean Hispano Avación, but that was just the case of the HA-200 Saeta, the Spanish built, Spanish flown aircraft, serving in the Spanish Ejército del Aire.
The fact is that the HA-200B trainers, those 75+ aircraft built by Factory Nº36 at Helwan, Egypt, were locally known as Helwan Aviation (hence the HA prefix) HA-200B “Al Qahirah” (The Victorious). This nickname was never given to the HA-300 program, also developed in that Egyptian aviation industry in Helwan, south of Cairo.
That’s also the story that the spanish chief HASA (Hispano Aviación SA) engineer Marcelino Viejo, working in the HA-200B project in Helwan during the sixties, told Air Enthusiast magazine some years ago. I guess that source is immensely useful to back up my comments above…
As for the wrong markings on the HA-300 exhibited in the German Museum…it’s a classic situation. You can NEVER count on museum aircraft as a valuable reference for markings, colours, camouflage or emblems, because with almost 100% certainty they have been “retouched” by any local “artists” to “improve” their appearance, so my advise is: avoid them at all cost for this purposes.
Here we go 😉 The cockpit photos are not too good (I had to take them through the canopy) but there are zero around the web, so they are better than nothing.
I have all the pics in 3264×2448 resolution so if anyone needs a particular one just tell me 🙂
What really amazed me was the size of this aircraft, the T-33 and the MiG-21 in the same museum looked like giants when compared to the HA-300. The range must have been a devastation, especially with payload. On the other hand in it probably would have been almost invisible.Really a fascinating aircraft, too sad there is no good model kit of it…
Dear Fabe. Thanks for sharing this fabulous walkaround, by far the best datailed pictures of the Ha-300 available online.
As for the name, the plane was always known as Ha-300, not Al Qahirah. That was in fact the name of the Helwan Ha-200, a spanish two seat, two engine trainer built under license in Egypt and named Saeta by Spain’s Ejército del Aire.
Re. Models. Actually there is/was one in 1/72 scale. A wonderful resin kit by Classic Plane. Don’t know if it’s still available but you can check it here:
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2001/june/first-looks/CP_HA300.htm
The link for the first resin kit pieces images is broken, but the correct one is this:
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2001/june/first-looks/CP_ha300-01.jpg
HTH
Condor
Vol.25 showed up this morning here in Chile, shipped directly from Singapore. A nice volume, indeed!!. The reports on the JH-7 and the Victor are especially interesting, as well as the article on the October War raids on EAF Tanta AB, by Aloni. The pictures on the Rotary Wing Weapon School and the Typhoon in Luftwaffe service are outstanding…as usual!
I hope you guys receive yours ASAP.
Good luck!
Talking ’bout Vol. 25….Target Tanta article is related to the Egyptian Air Force base??
Thanks!
Condor
I have white top and BLUE-GRAY underside, if this is what you mean.
Thanks Dan! Actually I was trying to find some shots of RSAF C-130Es with 45X serials as they were flown in the seventies, with NMF undersurfaces and uppers in white.
The colour separation line -a black (or green?) strip- on AC painted that way goes from the lower corner of the windshield way back through the tail, while Herks in your nice pics (AC serialled 11X) the line starts on the nose. There are also some variations on the placement of their RSAF written markings, both in western and arabic.
Thanks for the images 🙂
Does anyone have colour pictures of RSAF C-130s in the old white/natural metal (lower surfaces) scheme that could be shared?
All I’ve been able to find is tons of camuflaged Herks serving with the saudis, but none wearing this airliner style livery.
Thanks in advance!
Received my copy of Vol.23 directly from Singapore (printer) today. It’s a really nice volume, packed (as usual) with tons of great pictures and good reading. The Iranian Tomcat report looks especially interesting, as well as the Z-10 Chinese attack helo article. C-17 and Aggressor Vipers pictures are superb.
It was worth the waiting…
Condor
Stunning picture of an Egyptian F-7 at Hardaka (often misspelled as Hurgada)
http://www.planes.cz/cs/photo/1019700/?win_res=1024
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Great pic, indeed dingo. Thanks!!.
As fo the misspelling on Hurghada, it’s not really case of improper writing or something, but an occidentalization or transliteration of an arabic name, which by the way is El-Ghardaka, not Hardaka as you put it above.
The same applies to Al-Qahirah/Cairo, or Al-Uqsur/Luxor, Al-Iskandariya/Alexandria, etc… So Hurghada is also right.
Cheers
I think that it is indeed Syrian.
The emblem is not that of the Black Ravens (26 sq).Here’s a photo of an Egyptian,”Black Raven” Mig-21:
completly different emblem.
Your picture shows not a circa 1973 “Black Raven’s” MiG-21 MF, but an F-13 variant in 1982, taking part in Bright Star excercises. Totally different machines in a totally different time frame, with very different emblems. In fact, I have seen at least four different emblems using black birds in EAF MiG-21s…
I have the original footage where the supposedly Syrian fishbed was taken. It is part of the Al Jazzera’s 30 Anniversary of the October War documental (DVD), and this planes are clearly identifiable as EAF machines, not Syrian. I’d wish to know how to put that video here…
syrian mig-21:
I think this is an Egyptian Fishbed…nota SyAAF one… Look at the Black Raven’s emblem on the nose…
hi condor,wait me,I will send to you the pics by E-mail
bye
Thanks a lot my dear friend. Received;)
By the way, has anyone ever seen a picture of a Tunisian Air Force F-86?? I read somewhere that they operated a dozen aircraft of this type in the 70s but I have never seen any photograph of them so far…
Thanks in advance!
Azor
😮 Sanaa Yemen recently:eek:
http://spotters.net.ua/search/?location=Sanaa+-+%28ODSN+%2F+SAH%29&
Regards from Spain. 🙂
Strato, could you reporst this images? It seems they have been deleted from the server…:(