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    Rafael Typhoon series info here http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/typhoon/Typhoon.html

    Indeed the NTD turret is quite a clever idea. If it works as adverised, it would be a perfect secondary armament for ships operating in a littoral/coastal environment.

    The specifications of the Spike missile, in particular “man in the loop” capability, is quite welcome in a saturated littoral area of operations, since the missile can be “retired” in case of a mistaken launch against friendly forces.

    Also the precision of such a weapon would enable, for example, a Coast Guard ship to disable a bandit without human loss. And we shouldn’t forget land attack capability as well.

    in reply to: Hellenic Navy (News & Views). #2060929
    dienekes
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    Exocet Block 3

    According to military journalist sources, the Hellenic Navy has chosen the MM40 Exocet Block 3 missile, to equip the Super Vita FAC(M) about to enter service.

    It is reminded that the HN has ordered 5 of those craft, with one already in service, while 2 others are in the final stages of weapon trials.

    The Exocet choice may be significant, in that, the Block 3 has some sea to land capability (being fitted with GPS/INS). The HN has already expressed interest on the Scalp Naval missile too. Perhaps this would give us some pointers as to the next major combattant choices for the HN (i.e. Horizon / FREMM frigates).

    in reply to: Stealth Ships #2061809
    dienekes
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    I ressurect this thread from the dead just to ask if someone has any info on this ship (model picture attached)

    Thank you 🙂

    in reply to: Hellenic Navy (News & Views). #2061839
    dienekes
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    Successful first tests in modernization program Greek S-Class frigates
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    The Factory Acceptance Tests (FAT) of the Combat System equipment for the first ship of the Greek S-Class frigates were held between 13 and 23 December 2004 in Hengelo.

    http://www.thales-nederland.nl/nl/news/flash.shtml

    It seems this program proceeds as scheduled.

    in reply to: Gowind 200/170/120 #2061908
    dienekes
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    My first bet was the Millenium gun, but the shape doesn’t match.

    OTOH this is a model, so perhaps it is a Millenium after all. 😉

    dienekes
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    however, with decent FACs, you take all that away. for your enemy to stay outside the operating range of you FACs is to effetively stay out of the war, but to operate within is to put the lives of thousands at risk. even if your FAC attacks comes to nothing (as they are almost certain to do without proper support), at the very least you would be able to disrupt enemy operations, and buy yourself time if not win a small battle or two.

    I think both Iraq and former Yugoslavia are not the best cases for FACs. Coastal defence is not so easy if your opponent has full control of the open seas surrounding your land!

    Let’s not forget this: the submarine remains the absolute weapon of sea denial. FACs, in an environment like the Aegean, may play a role similar to that of snippers in a land conflict. But I don’t see how a FAC force could hope to deny sea (and coast) control to a A/C carrier group stationed 200nm from the coast. You simply have 24/7 patrols by planes and helos, until you sink anything floating, and move on with your marine landing. End of story. :p

    in reply to: What is your best multi-purpose corvette design? #2062359
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    Ei Dienekes, the UAE corvettes looks good for a $80 million design. They dont carry the Mk41. They have a 8 cell Mk-56 with 8 ESSM. I hope theres still room for more improvements sensors and weapons likewise.

    Yep, Mk-56 it is… My bad. 😮

    Sensor suite is not bad:

    – EADS TRS-3D/16ES surveillance radar
    – Orion RTN 25 X-band radar
    – EADS COLDS laser warning system
    – Elettronica SLR-736E radar ESM
    – MASS decoy system

    You can’t get much better than that for the money.

    As for weapons, I’d fit a RAM above the hangar, a PDMS/CIWS is the only improvement I see, as far as the role of the vessel is concerned.

    Please note that this corvette has limited ASW capability, apart from the helo that is.

    in reply to: What is your best multi-purpose corvette design? #2062408
    dienekes
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    Another interesting design is that of the small (-ish) UAE corvettes (Al Bayunah class). They are based on the BR70 design by CMN.

    A bit over 70m in length, they feature a 76mm gun, 8 ESSM canisters (2*mk41 I think), 8 Exocets and a medium helicopter. They can be fitted with a CIWS and have an adequate electronics fit. They are waterjet equiped and can reach 32 knots.

    The best part is that they cost $80mil each (for a total order of 4+2 ships).

    Errr… wait a minute!

    And we (the Hellenic Navy, that is…) paid almost $180 mil of each of the 5 Super Vitas???? 😮

    Someone said in the other thread that some navies are being conned for buying FACs, and I guess he is right, in some circumstances at least… 🙁

    dienekes
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    To realize what kind of threat these truck launched SSM is, you could look at the Balkan conflict. I’ve been told that american carrier groups weren’t willing to station in the Adriatic sea because of that Saab had delivered RBS-15 to Belgrade. The risk were to high. Perhaps dienekes can shed som light on this story?

    From what I can gather, that delivery never took place. Don’t forget this deal was in the cards when Yygoslavia was a whole nation. Croats took the lion’s share as far as naval powers were concerned.

    But the story really illustrates an interesting point: even the threat of deploying an appropriate (but non-existent) weapon is sometimes enough to prevent hostile action. 😎

    It also shows us that, perhaps, the USN doesn’t have enough faith on it’s PDMS and CIWS? :rolleyes:

    A quick note: Some people underestimate the Serbs, in general. Don’t do that. They have proved time and again they are survivors, and they will play any card they happen to have.

    in reply to: Gowind 200/170/120 #2062431
    dienekes
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    Thanks a lot for the photos! 🙂

    If you mean “FREMM variants” design wise, I would agree.

    They look quite “stealthy”. Weapons fit seems (intentionally?) vague, but I suppose they would implement either Aster 15 or VL Mica for AD. Now, am I the only one to see retractable ASM hatches at the front?

    Also, is that a decoy system either side of the rear superstructure?

    The guns are not immediately recognisable but I’d guess a 76mm and a 40mm.

    Nice designs overall.

    in reply to: What is your best multi-purpose corvette design? #2062501
    dienekes
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    I was shocked you didn’t chose Sterenguchiy (sp?) 😮 :p

    Nice ship BTW, hope the Russians finish and improve on the design according to international needs.

    in reply to: What is your best multi-purpose corvette design? #2062594
    dienekes
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    South-African Meko-200 class. Have a whole bunch of nice pictures of her, although not fully finished, she’s already very good looking! There are some pictures of SAN Amatola with her VLS spots and Gunpost (although both aren’t fitted yet) in the Warships International Fleet Review magazine.

    C’mon Severo, this is only called a corvette, but it’s a frigate in reality (political issues… :rolleyes: )

    in reply to: What is your best multi-purpose corvette design? #2062611
    dienekes
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    What I’ve said in another thread:

    Personally, should I have buying decision over this, I’d like an “ideal” version of the K130 corvette: a Bofors 57mm mk3, 4 RBS-15, 8 Polyphem, 2 RAMs, 2 Typhoon NTD turrets, 2 UAVs and waterjet propulsion!

    As for the Polish corvette, I really believe she is a beauty and should be a very capable ship. But, for my part, I’d like the same equipment on a 3000ton frigate.

    in reply to: Gowind 200/170/120 #2062619
    dienekes
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    Also, at this page you can see a tiny model, next to the Sawari one:

    http://www.armarisgroup.com/uk/HTML/products.html

    I think it is similar to the C1200/C1800 designs, but have no clue on details. :confused:

    dienekes
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    Haven’t seen a Visby carry a helicopter and practically I don’t think it’s going to be handy either. Telescopic hangars have proven difficult in the past and most navies opt for fixed ones. The Swedes don’t have the experience with those hangars yet and might step back once it proves a faulty decision. Taking no hangar at all wouldn’t be practically either.

    Severo, I think the best option for such small ships would be naval UAVs, a trend I believe shall be dominant in the near future. Ideally, you need a hangar in that case too. But the logistics of operating a manned vehicle, as well as serious changes to the ship itself, are avoided.

    In fact, I’m opening a new thread on navel UAVs, I’m really interested hearing the views of all of you there. 😉

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