Would it not make sense for the USN to phase out the SH pretty quickly once the F-35 gets ready? With one-a-day production rates those F-35 will arrive in huge numbers quite fast! And operating more two types of a/c is more expensive.
Also keep in mind that even some years before starting out-phasing the SH, the USN will lose interest in investing in that platform, which means less integration of new weapons and less upgrades towards the end.
I tried to find the source for the 2030 date but did not locate it yet, so it may be wrong?
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The USN still has a large “classic” FA-18 fleet ie C and D models that would probably be replaced first once F-35 is operational, as apposed to simply delivered. Then presumably would come the Block 1 SH, with their “old” technology APG 73.
But Block 2 SH is equipped with a state of the art radar and avionics, and combined with its two person crew is capable of dealing with air and ground targets simultaneously, making it a useful strike platform. Add to that its buddy refueling capability, and the FA-18G Growler. The USN might want to hold onto its Block 2 fleet for some time.
One would presume those pylons aren’t going to be empty. 😉
and with an AMRAAM on each?
I do like the union flag bit mind.:cool:
??? Are you referring to the Southern Cross on the tail?
In this case “semi-stealth” isn’t much better than NO stealth (especially when they mount the pylons/air-brakes). A late model Eagle has at least equivalent avionics (with a bigger AESA array on the Eagle), more range, more payload, more speed. I can’t think of a single area where the SH is better where it would make a difference. Cost maybe or fuel burn (Eagle is much more powerful) perhaps.
Just how much do four RAM coated pylons add to RCS from the frontal aspect?
Surely any significant reduction in RCS matters if it means your opponent can only (theoretically) launch their first shot well after you have detected them and launched one or two AMRAAMs at them? Who is able to shoot first will win.
Many seem to believe that SH should be the strongest candidate; I am not so sure. When will the US start to decommission the SH? Somebody told me 2030, is this correct?
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But if that relates to early build Block 1 aircraft, then the SH will still be around for a lot longer with the USN.
I’m an Aussie too, but went to Russia to see the Airshow MAKS 2007, i stayed for few days, i was rather pleasantly surprised by what i saw, or how it was organized etc.
If you haven’t been there or met some of their people or see what their “democracy” is like, it is a bit unfair to doubt it, or think it is any worse than here, i do not think it is what it may have been years ago, as for PR problems etc…. i do not think it is any better or or worse for that matter than here or anywhere….
Raises the question of what it means to be democratic. With its unelected upper house and lack of a contemporary written constitution, the UK’s political system is not fully democratic by Australian or US standards either. But then the influence of big business within the US political process can’t be ignored either. And in Australia, Tasmania’s 300,000 people have the same say as 4,000,000 Victorians in the Senate.
I have seen some comparisons showing how the SH is supposed to have better payload range that the older aircraft, but it appears that there is a heavy dose of smoke and mirrors involved (could give specifics, but that make a long post even longer).
But isn’t that the kind of comment that gives these SH threads their predictable slant and lessens their credibility. Any metric where the SH betters its contemporaries is always rejected as irrelevant, simply ignored, or just dismissed: the SH’s order of magnitude better RCS compared to F-15, its significantly better radar compared to Eurocanards, the more mature, all round nature of its capabilities compared to EF, for example.
I can’t help but think that the SH is the red headed step child. It’ always going to have rough time, no matter what it’s capabilities. The blue eyed, blond headed Flanker, EF etc on the other hand…….
If you’re talking about Australia, you should be aware that the decision to buy the SH was almost exclusively by the former SecDef, Nelson or something was his name. There were alot of former RAAF seniors opposed to the SH. Also the new goverment looked into cancelling the order but they would have to incur a monetary penalty for cancellation because the contract was already signed – the 24 SH’s reamained.
The SH deal had it’s proponents as well as it’s detractors – just like any decision. Some opponents were “F-22 or nothing”, an outcome not likely for Australia. The new government have confirmed the SH purchase, and in doing so have stated that the SH has the capability to defeat all regional threats.
Well, for one thing the Super Hornet is not all that cheap. I believe it is more expensive in constant dollars that Typhoon, Rafale, Gripen, advanced F-15s and F-16s and even JSF. That may be one reason it has never won a sales competition against other aircraft. Before someone jumps in and say, “Australia”, there was no competition there. They looked at the E/F and said, “It kinda looks like the planes we already have so we’ll buy some of them to tide us over until the real thing (JSF) arrives”. They apparently didn’t realize how little commonality there is with earlier versions, but in any case there was no competition, per se.
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You’re pretty quick to dismiss the professionalism and judgement of an air force that has consistently operated state of the art aircraft for close on 80 years, and has seen combat during all but 2 of those decades.