Disagree: Clearly SM-1 is reaching the end and ESSM is capable yet not supporting SM1 would leave allied navies (Bahrain, Chili, Egypt, Italy, Japan, Poland, Spain, Taiwan, Turkey, all with 1-8 SM1 equipped ships) hanging. Future OHP recipients may receive the ships without functional Mk13 and may be encouraged to take the Mk41/ESSM route. Some navies (Italy, Japan) operate domestic destroyers with SM1 which, in relativel short term, are likely replaced. However, for other navies (often operating ex-USN OHPs) this is not likely in the near term (e.g. Chili, Egypt, Poland, Taiwan). They will have to soldier on with their ships. Now, they may opt for addition of Mk41 and ESSM, and/or could switch to SM2. But for reasons of budget as well as politics/diplomacy not in any hurry.
It’ll be far from inexpensive to set up the capability to rebuild/remanufacture SM-1 and key components. I suspect countries like Chile and Poland will simply buy up whatever stocks they can, and then just run them down. That might even mean reducing the loadout on ships, on the premise that if ships are used for operations in the future, its unlikely they’ll use a full magazine of SM-1s (around 40 rounds all up for the Mk13)
To be fair, the F-22 is not ‘on the market’. But the F-14 and F-111 and A-6 and Super Hornet…
And your point is…?
How many nations were even looking for aircraft in the F-14 and F-111 capability/price category? The Tornado program pretty much indicated that European countries, for example, were only willing to pay for simpler, less capable aircraft.
As for the SH, is the export performance of the EF or Rafale really that much better?
The missile is still supported as it is still in foreign services (Egypt, Poland, Turkey, among others)
Maybe not for too much longer. This Aus DoD document from the 2000s (p27) discusses SM-1 impending life of type.
http://www.defence.gov.au/ADC/docs/Publications/Monograph%20Series/RMcMillan.pdf
ESSM is a more than capable replacement for SM-1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Direct_Attack_Munition
All is fine about that as long the opponent has not the capability to jam the GPS. That capability is at hand and at least the USA tries all kind of pressure to prevent the profilation of that capability or exports of the related items to less capable countries. 😉
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corner_reflector
That cheap devices are used by the Russians for decades to defeat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_aperture_radarTo claim some capabilities of weapon-systems/technology without the related shortcomings is very questionable.
All weapons systems can be countered to a degree. To what degree compared to their alternatives is the real issue.
There’s an interesting summary of the JASSM guidance system here (see the third paragraph):
In the Australian context the significance of the F-111 was in its range, not its specific modus operandi. It represented a class of aircraft that is no longer extant in the world today.
Not sure I agree with that 100%. Once the F-111’s ability to avoid detection by flying “under the radar” was eroded, so was its useful range. Threat’s had to be flown around, and in the latter part of its career its effective range would have been that of the escorting F-18s.
Also, to reiterate my point to Mr Antipodean Littletrain, if they were simply motivated to kill the RAAF F-35 they’d have backed Boeing, or anyone except the F-22.
You’ve missed the point, probably revealing your lack of familiarity with the Aus defence debate.
APA was stridently anti F-18F as well; the only “acceptable” outcomes in their view being F-22 (yes, the hugely expensive to maintain Raptor) and/or upgraded F-111s. You need to understand the amount of $ the Aus DoD had to put into the local F-111 support industry to see what was sustaining the APA agenda (whatever its technical “merits” or otherwise).
Last of the F-111s. Su-24s etc still operating doesn’t do anything to make keeping a handful of F-111s around easier.
The proliferation of fighters with look down, shoot down capability pretty much blunted the effectiveness of the F-111/Tornado/Su-24 genre. The advent of missiles like the JASSM pretty much made them redundant.
The Australian F-111s represented the last of an otherwise dead breed of planes. A single squadron worth of aircraft that the rest of the world had left behind.
A bit harsh. There are plenty of aircraft of that generation, built to similar concepts of operations still in use today. Remember the Tornado and Su-24.
And the RAN is keeping the FFG’s for how much longer though ? It was always a short term gap fill
That’s right, a short term gap filler until ships that are far, far more capable than the original FFG-7s enter service.
Sounds like a very practical solution to me! Committing to F-35 without knowing the purchase price within a window that gives known extra F-16 costs, without knowing operating cost and without knowing that it will be available in the window needed is… RISKY.
But the speed and severity with which the Dutch are cutting back defence spending would render any plan of 5 years ago unworkable, add to that the decline of the Euro against the Greenback since about 2008.
I must admit the PF4921 light frigate looks bang on for the kind of affordable frigate replacement of the venerable Perry Class.
Perhaps, but most navies that have retained the FFG-7 have upgraded them into ships that are far more capable than when delivered.
http://www.thalesgroup.com/Countries/Australia/Documents/FFG_Upgrade/
(SM-2 has since been acquired.)
Yeah, not bad. Nice twin hangar, ramp. Patrol frigate seems a little under armed though.
A little under armed for a Navy ship, but for the Coast Guard….?
Canada and Australia are F-35 Level 3 Partners and both are cutting their respective defense budget.
In the case of Australia that’s not really correct. Have a look at the Aus DoD 2012-13 budget papers; yes, defence expenditure has plateaued for 2012-13 and 2013-14, but it is planned to resume expenditure growth in real terms after that. The reason for the plateau in the current two years is more about program schedule delays and the wind-down of operations. For example:
– NH-90 deliveries are way, way behind schedule
– KC-30 deliveries are behind schedule due to ongoing issues with the boom
– the US DoD has rescheduled the F-35 program effecting all participants
– operations in Afghanistan have started winding down, with the bulk of troops withdrawing in early 2013
– the shipbuilding industry has bitten off more than it can chew with the ANZAC upgrade, AWD and LHD projects, resulting in some rebaselining
Neither of the two major parties have signalled any intention to slash defence spending, in the case of the currently in opposition Liberal party the reverse is the case. More importantly, there is no imperative for them to do so as Aus isn’t facing a Euro style financial crisis, nor is it facing the longer term structural financial issues that many EU countries are grappling with.
I don’t think he’ll need to pay to advertise cruises for a long, long time…
I don’t think he’ll need to pay to advertise cruises for a long, long time…