This has been covered before.
AN/AAQ-37 integrates six staring mid-wave infrared sensors taken from Sniper XR. These are cooled HgCdTe (MCT) SFPA 3-5µm MWIR detectors with 640×480 array size. That is 307,200 pixels per one sensor *6 = 1.85 Megapixel for the whole spherical coverage.
So you effectively require another aircraft to assist you to make that kill…
Two things that two way data links should be able to do:
A/C sensors should be able to assist missile when are exposed to countermeasures
Redirect missiles to other targets.
better control over missiles status
Why do all these kids on the internet think they know more about how survivable the F-35 is compared to the poeple who are buying and operating them? I can’t for the life of me figure it out.
The ‘kiddy from cataclysm’ woulld do well to watch this video, though i’m sure he knows more about the F-35 and what it can do than these chaps do…
It takes guts to abandom some of the old schools values like speed, big loads and agility. For something… kind of unproven.
Thats was the critics are telling you.
The unproven maybe pandoras box, but maybe not.
A new generation sensor can maybe equal the balance again (usually goes), to the enemies advantage. And then the earlier advantage is now a deathtrap, that maybe, in the same scenario, a F-16 could have coped better with (like an extra missle and higher speed).
Have you ever wonder how the world have reacted if LM made a F-22 like fighter instead? That doesnt abandom old school values as much?
To call people kids doesnt make their ideas childish, rather make you look abit desperate.
I liked the short Display. But sadly the Video shooting sucked..:(
I’ll rather wait for this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/user/KonstantinKhmelikAbout the Trollers here, ranting on about poor High Alpha..
Does the words: “still engaged in flight testing parameters” mean anything for you?
A russian show beats any western due to more balls, and more throaty enginesound. I would love to see PAK-FA perform in 3 years or so..
Sukhoi have no problems making high-alpha fighters, i think thats proven already, and noone need to prove that on this thread.
Sens, I think you need a holiday.
no offence to anyone, but… why do russian helmets and masks looks like it comes from the 50:s? how light, and functional are they compared to western counterparts?
i cant understand why people are so upset. A restricted F-22 and EF with its helmet, no TVC can match this. Its faster and alot more accurate than to steer a big fighter in a new direction.
Dont talk about the energy loss with a stealth optimised hull and wings with TVC.
This is not what F-22 was made for, period. (especially a restricted one)
It was made to take the fight from this situation.
This is one of the main requirements for EF.
Quite a harsh assessment, not sure how you see AMCA as a hedge for FGFA/PAK-FA as they are a totally different class of fighter. AfaIk, AMCA is destined to replace MiG-29, M2K, Jaguar, MiG-27 etc. but not Su-30MKI!
I agree on ‘leveraging the French’ but why not? They’re paying premium prices (for a premium product), and excluding SAAB, would the US or EADS be so transparent and co-operative with their cutting-edge tech? I think not.
Besides, the Indians are in a prime position, having the hottest defence market for probably decades to come, they can utilise this leverage until their domestic suppliers get up to speed, whether private or state (that’s the whole idea of offsets).As for engines, expect a ‘joint venture’ deal for the de facto re-branded M-88X to be signed sometime this year, to power AMCA & future Rafale upgrade. The Indians can indigenously manufacture the AL-31P from scratch…..and the Chinese (still) can’t.
Obviously the priority Indian stealth programme is the FGFA, but given that Indian participation at such a late stage is quite limited (aside from the 2-seater which will be a somewhat drawn out affair)and involves mainly licensing, tech transfer and indigenous avionics integration.
However, recently I’ve got the impression that the ‘AURA’ UCAV has a higher priority than the AMCA. Remember the Indian govt. put out an RPF for outright purchases a few years ago and, failing that, have pursued a ‘technology partner’ for their future UCAV. Even though the ‘AURA’ is very ‘hush-hush’, it appears that things are moving much faster and have more momentum behind the scenes than for the more ‘white world’ AMCA.
Such a stealth strike asset will fit into the future IAF portfolio very nicely and will keep upgraded assets and Rafale relevant and effective for many years. Maybe this points to an acknowledged protracted development for the steep learning curve that will be the AMCA- benefitting from lessons learned from the FGFA, AURA, Rafale and the ‘Super 30’ upgrade.
taking in knowledge that another has developed throu a fighterdevelopment like rafale is ofcourse a good thing. But as Dassault is a company that wants to live and get future orders, there will be gaps in the knowlege that is transfered, Dassults “core assets” is probably not for sale, things they feel they are best in the world on.
So the gaps is probably best sourced somewere else.
Meteor have two different radiounits integrated (read hardware) one that compatible with Rafale one that that is compatible rest of the world.
The radiounit that fits Rafale is a alot improved MICA unit. Havent got a clue if any other jet can cope with the mica variant.
Quoting from the link I posted on the earlier page :-
thanks for the quote! hopefully they iron this out.
:rolleyes: you need to think beyond the 1950’s. this is the next century, people do not design fighters to be ‘rockets with wings’ anymore, where they minimise drag at the cost of everything else.
tejas has high drag because it has the *lowest* wing loading of all modern fighters (large wing area), which equals excellent maneuverability. the wing design is also not a plain jane delta but rather a complex one. get hold of BHarry’s (one time mod at keypubs) excellent article to know more.
the other problem is a less than suitable L/D ratio, which would be fixed with the plug.
as you say, in the early days delta wing and small crosssection was the cure for high drag…what happened since that day?
Wingloading is kind of blunt measurement of lift or drag for that matter.. add for example close coupled canard or bodylift and you got alot higher lift than the wingloading suggest, reduce wing angle and retention the wing area and you got much lower drag and about the same wingloading.
About Tejas drag.. except having relatively big crosssection for its length, its a textbook example for low drag.
– tailless
– high wing swep
– Delta adds lift without sacrificing too much drag
whats the rootcause for the drag? Crosssection?
Gripen NG carry 7100 lbs internal, 3220 kg
the last figure i heard was 2400kg (or as ref, say 3000L) for Gripen A/B/C/D and 3500 kg for E/F/NG
I suspect the new financial climate in which markets pressure countries to correct the excesses of the past will be here for many years. Under those circumstances, would it not be better to “cut your cloth according to your means” and switch to cheaper hardware? The air forces of the world may not be enthusiastic but to return to my analogy, you are a bit dumb if you say I want to be given the best clothes to wear and nothing else will do. If the choice is cheaper clothes or none at all, would any sensible person choose to walk around naked?
I see a market for Gripen / FA-50 / Tejas -style lighter fighters for countries that cannot afford fighters costing $100 million each with very high $ per hour costs. To oversimplify, flying a $50 million fighter for 5000 hours @ $5000 per flying hour costs $75 million; flying a $100 million dollar fighter for 5000 hours @ $12,500 per hour costs $162.5 million. Choosing the more exotic aircraft more than doubles costs per aircraft.
i really dont see a FA-50 or Tejas make it to the european markets as multirole (sole AF fighter) in this timeframe. But i can be wrong..
i think, to cut down cost, only one platform will be doable, and therefor multirole.
As i see it right now, the european market alternatives are:
– Refurbished F-16
– Used Gripen C/D lease or buy
– Used and upgraded Gripen C/D+ lease or buy
– Gripen E/F
– Used early versions of EF
– New F-16V
– possible new SH
– Pooled F-35A (EU)
– self relient F-35A
in somewhat cost order (don´t kill me if wrong 😉 )
maybe i can mention MIG-35 o SU-30 but i dont think the Life cycle cost or the “political will” would go in there favor.
Many European AF will “scale down” in cost due to political reasons.
Thanks to SwAF downscaling from the 80:s until to this day, SAAB got a fighter that fits alot future European AFs requirement.
But i dont think Lockmart will leave the scen that easily:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2012/february/0215aero-F-16V.html
even boeing is working with future development of F-18 to meet some of the requirements.
Dassault is probably not interested under these “cheap” terms, so isn´t EADS. Due to it´s hard to make their platforms cheaper. The future for these platforms is outside europe.
due to the different wing design one can say F18 style vs. Mirage style, i think F-50 could be a better flier subsonic and Tejas better in supersonic?
But i dont know this holds any water due to Tejas problems with drag and power.
as you all points out, riviting is an old technology for sticking one surface to another…
For over 50 years ago rivets tech was abandoned in shipconstruction, replaced by welding.
For many years visionaries in the field of welding have eyed adhesive tech for better caractaristics to get rid of bad things, example heat related issues.
But still, welding is till the most common way for steel and most metal works.
Is there any better upcoming tech to replace riviting in airplane manufacturing, in the future? it got alot bad caractaristics…
new countermeasures will counter that.
why not lasers that burns up the missile?
http://defensetech.org/2011/07/08/new-laser-countermeasures-could-defeat-rpgs/