how do you recon a F-20 copy with DSI would be any better than the original that was abandoned in 1986?
Those last articles are quite interesting especially the last one. I don’t know how they manage to seem that well informed, but if its true (which would explain the delay the first article reported as well), then all bets are still open…
it is extremly critical, would be a suprise that a fighter under development doesnt have all operational performance?
swiss deal developments..
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_05_07_2012_p32-454278.xml&p=1
The SAF said it recommended the Rafale. So the Rafale was the best plane for the SAF. That the politicians couldn’t or wouldn’t afford it is another matter entirely. It doesn’t mean the Gripen was the best plane for the SAF, unless you want to imply the SAF doesn’t know what it needs.
Nic
Nic, try to understand. i would recomend ferrari to my family( and to the bank) but still it would not happen.
Its not only AF choise.
-Both contenders meet all AF reqiurements (recommendation does not matter if not all other parameters dont differ)
-Cheaper to fly
-Gripen suits ToT model better the Swiss business strategy
-total contract value is lower
Not for the Swiss air force apparently.
Nic
O no not again, nico
normal proceedures:
meet requirements>cheapest choice of them
Yes i want a Ferrari 599! but a Porsche Panamera really meets all my requirements and is cheaper and makes the rest of the family happy due to the four seats (ToT)! Do i buy a Ferrari anyway?
well done mate ๐ I wonder why the Colonel describes it as a problem :confused:
Probably he felt like a harley fan who needed to add a muffler or he missed the runway..;)
too bad whe dont have the complete interview…
can you provide the source? I can’t find anything that says Griffin C can supercruise ๐ฎ
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/243/gripensupercruisetempja8.jpg/
the source states Griffin NG demo can, doesn’t say Griffin C can ๐
no, i changed my source. this is a 2001 source when gripen C was the gamechanger and Demo or E/F wasnt invented.
This means
Gripen C 1.1 Mach with a droptank 2 sidewinders and four Amraam
Gripen Demo at more than 1.2 Mach at 30000ft with the same loadout.
then it is wrong to say Griffin C can supercruise ๐
no, why not bother reading the source?
Obligatory claimed Griffin C could supercruise I quote
yes and thats exactly right??!
I’m not aware Griffin C can supercruise :confused:
Griffin E supposedly could without any payload http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripenas far as exports go, Thunder does better than Rafale, which still has 0 units exported after being on the market for over a decade ๐
Are you aware of 128 Rafale is on export to india?
more supercruising
this is one source:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/243/gripensupercruisetempja8.jpg/
Demo or F version (not E) is more than 1,2 Mach with same loadout.
I’m not aware Gripen C has supercruise. Oh, and btw, China shall be the world #1 because it has better freedom than most other countries and free speech and thought are protected by law in that country ๐ YOU sir fail to threaten me. first, I suggest you get the name right, it’s JF-17 not FJ-17, and Mach 1.6 is possibly outdated now it’s Mach 1.8 in any case dogfight at over Mach 2 is virtually non-existent in the 21st century
Do be aware before speculate…you “sir” do not have clue. Dictatorship have real freedom of speech :D, you dont even got free excess to the web! ๐
in any case dogfight at over Mach 2 is virtually non-existent in the 21st century
So you confirm Gripen C is more aerodynamic efficient. +1
That shot is no good. the shot at 1:22 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4WjYESLFbc is way better. also some good footage of Thunder’s front in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFg22Cms7MI
Thunder’s aerodynamics is way better than that of Griffin C. the bump intakes vastly reduce drag ๐ which contributes to its very long combat radius of 1,352 km
Thunder Block 2 gets an AESA replacing the pulse doppler and gets a J-10B style nose ๐
3 view of Thunder Block 1 http://www.topgunchen.cn/doc_img/album/20070715-859-1-3.jpg
Before you get banned, i need to be honest with you, you never have any clue, no data, only words with no substance.
How do you recon a 8,5 kN รก 1,6 Mach FJ-17 have better aerodynamics than a 8 kN 2,0+ supercruiser?
You really need to sharpen your statements.
Thunder is a much newer design with much better aerodynamics and much lower RCS. Thunder wins IMO.
http://www.topgunchen.cn/doc_img/album/20070715-859-1-3.jpg
pics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4WjYESLFbc
promo vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFg22Cms7MI
airshow vid 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcI4VzyaCRE&feature=fvwrel
airshow vid 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XL0e7H8BSY
Gripen A is a 0,1 m2 design. C/D is probably lower, E/F is? In this region is more important to count this things hanging under the wings. i really dont think JF-17 is much lower than that.
i do think a close coupled canard is better for tight turns and for high speed.