any news of whats in the offer?
Weapons?
engine updates?
onboard system updates? except AESA?

How about TOT?
Is it last assemly only?
or which subsystems is part of TOT?

First, how many platforms can india manage?

The extra 80 would in my opinion be:
1. More Rafales (other bidders are there to lower the price)
2. F-35A or Gripen NG (single engine)

F-35 for internal weapons, new capabilites, Gripen for lighter fighter and better logistics and price (use F414 and can use Micas,Meteor,Spice, IRST. etc.)

Tiffy is too dam close to Rafale in size, i dont see any point.

Congrats Dassault and France!
You see, Tiffy and Gripen fans arent so bad loosers as the other ones 😉

“According to Saab-led Gripen International, more than 10,000 new jobs have been created in Hungary as a result of a Swedish offset commitment worth 110% of the value of the nation’s original 10-year deal.”

the biggest holder of SAAB technology, Investor holding company moved big investments to the country. For example a electrolux factory amongst other things.

well, first, the F-5 is a twin engine aircraft,

second: the replacement in less than a decade they’ll need to buy replacements for their hornets, which means they’ll probably want to use the same type to simplify and optimize maintainance and overall costs

result, buying the gripen may sound logical with inly the F-5 replacement in mind, but in longer term it means going a step down in capabilities as in their own evgaluation the gripen was behind the hornet and managed the minimum passable overall grade only thanks to its price

considering the support of gripen: I said that just about everybody was against it. some because they don’t want money spent on any fighter, others that don’t want to buy a fighter that came out dead last in evaluations

first, E/F gripen was not in those eval.
second Technical evaluations have nothing to do with requirements. When you buy something, you by the cheapest that fits your requirements nothing more nothing less.

ps. F-5 is have to engines, but thats not apropiate for a such a small fighter today.

simply because you don’t govern a country by being emotive, but by looking for your best interest, and getting the best aircraft at the best price is your best interest… what’s more, the gripen as such is highly contested by more or less everybody in switzerland (except Ulli Maurer and his gonvernment and SAAB of course) so, even poiticaly they can use that to delay an unpopular process and maybe get an even better deal than previous one

well thats your opinion…
now, how would that be, if every govement buy is a public prestige demokratic vote, with no interest in real requirements or TOT aspects (only driven throu media simplication) or budget restricitons. if so, i think we would have the greece krisis in all democratic stats all over the world :confused:

you mean apart from UAE and Brazil?

Greece may be a prospect in the longer term, if it’s economy emerges from the doldrums. Malaysia is a prospect but it orders very small numbers and the Rafale may be too expensive for them.

Appart from the obius India, Brazil or UAE. I mean what happen to Rafale, if it looses those three? Exept that france struggle on..?
Who else have a bigger budget and needs something in this neabourhood before 2025?
I dont think Greece will buy anything this expensive in this timespan. The blackhole in its economy have never been seen on this side of the moon.
Malaysia is to small order for a Rafale system, but who knows?
Korea?
Old mirage customer?