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  • in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2368438
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    By my count it’s 4,000 kgs just for the bombs, not counting the racks themselves. Also it’s not just a matter of weight but also drag. Even if it does manage to get airborne, it wouldn’t get to far and also, the potential for maneuvering would be minimised to just take off-fly-land. And finally, all this weight+drag would significantly reduce the lifespan of the wing.

    It is too small a fighter to carry reliably all this load.

    I think in such cases it would make more sense to get it airborne with part of the internal fuel only, just for take off and then refuel it.

    then its about 2000kgs to spare for racks and other things before hitting max takeoff weight with full internal fuel. .
    16500-(7100+3500+4000)~2000kgs
    i have no idea of the runway required, but itยดs not the standard 800m gripen strip (550m gripen C takeoff with AoA).

    Gripen lifts alot of its size, reliable or not, this you must ask the AFs using it, and i dont believe we see this in real life maybe not even flight tested, not even on bigger fighters like EF or Rafale, due to its rare in its usability. But for flexibiliy its doable, and i know those racks is being integrated.

    And for drag, small diameter bombs is made for exactly that reason, lowering drag. So instead of lowering drag, this config uprating the capacity.

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2368445
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    So, you are implying that it will actually manage to take off?
    I’m impressed :diablo:

    no hay problema ๐Ÿ˜‰
    Small diamater bombs are just that.

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2368448
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    Oops. they forgot installing a few racks on the canards, too. :rolleyes:

    I wonder how far it will go with all this weight and drag. Not too far I would presume.

    this is a marketing slide made for cruching the the prejudice of gripens loadout. Thereยดs nothing standard about it… ๐Ÿ™‚

    the additional fuel of the NG will be a good thing for such a loadout thats for sure (fuelfraction unloaded >,33). This makes it have almost as much fuel that a /C/D gripen have with two EFT, this comes with NG better aerodynamics and better bodylift.
    But for longer trips or loitering it would probably be sensible to have a tanker nearby or switch one or two stations for fuel.

    in reply to: F-35A for Japan #2301187
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    Would it be better to focus on shaping, rather than new exotic composite materials and ram coatings that seem to make thing rather expensive?

    You still want a fighter right? then you cant shape as you like. itยดs all a tradeoff for aerodynamic performance.

    in reply to: Rafale news XII #2301200
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    Don’t be ridiculous…Do you think Swiss air force would recommend the best aircraft (rafale) but knew they can’t afford enough of them to do the job ? Just think a second ! They had well enough money allocated/voted to buy the rafale or typhoon. In terms of performance vs costs rafale was rated nยฐ1 and it could do the job better with fewer aircraft than with the gripen.

    The reason for gripen is political when both France and Germany are pressuring switzerland over its bank system and issues related to tax fraud. Buying swedish was more politically acceptable as it is also a somewhat neutral country.

    not foolish, but yes.

    in reply to: Rafale news XII #2301258
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    Eurofighter was neither the best nor the cheapest. Complaining would have been quite strange.

    Swiss launched a detailed evaluation by Armassuisse to select a fighter, and after a comprehensive study (AFAR, with price and offsets in mind), Armasuisse proposed the Rafale. All this evaluation has been pointless, and if the goal was to get Gripen at the lowest price, then Eurofighter and Dassault were slapped. Once again, I mean.

    So, why would Dassault avoid to make a little statement about their surprise ?

    So if your a middlewage and you looking for a car. You want preformance, you will still not choose Ferrari, due to the fact it costs to much and is too many hours in the shop, and a tuned Nissan GT-R will do and is alot cheaper.
    So the evaluation was not in vain but preformance isnt everything. All things are weighted and Gripen was the best deal.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2301441
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    While searching for that quote i actually did came across a Viggen pilot interview that had this to say about Draken:

    http://www.milavia.net/specials/iv_viggen/

    :diablo:

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2301563
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    I do not think the empty slots on the CFTs can be used as the BRU-61 (the SDB launcher) is too wide and would cause an obstruction.

    I looked over all the loadouts on http://www.f-15e.info/joomla/en/weapons/loadout-configurations and could not find any that had anything on the upper CFT slots when the lower ones had large munitions.

    btw, the F-35 can carry up to 32 SDBs which is 4 more than the F-15E (as the F-15E can also carry 8xSDBs on the the wing STA2/8) ๐Ÿ™‚

    what about that wingloading ๐Ÿ˜€

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2301678
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    from obligatory’s post

    I guess it’s 17 meters wide then ๐Ÿ˜‰

    in any case, again, it is maybe not a 3km long and 60m wide runway, but it’s not a “simple road” either

    There are strips that were 17 m, but gripen lands on 9 m wide roadbases.
    The roadbases costs alot to maintain, and therefore they have not maintained the outer layers since the introduction of the gripens.
    Note that these roadbases where introduced in the 50:s, where high landing speed Drakens with little/bad landing guide systems/FBW were availible.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2301697
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    The swedish roadbase is 800*9m (a gripen requirement) this is with marging of ice and snow and fully loaded config.

    But Gripen takes of in 500m and lands on 400m with one EFT and A-A normal load and dry tarmak.

    in reply to: Rafale news XII #2302098
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    Was Rafale ever considured in Japan?

    in reply to: MMRCA news thread 10 #2302314
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    saab proposed the gripen but it’s not because they try to sell it that it fits the required profile.. besides, if it did, it probably would have been shortlisted

    as about the f-15A, it has maybe to do with the fact that empty it weighs over 12 tons when rafale is around 9.5t.

    i hope you really refer to MTOW as fighter class. Otherwise you could install 5 tons of dead weight in a gripen and you got yourself a heavy fighter.

    in reply to: MMRCA news thread 10 #2302477
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    if they needed something like the gripen, they’d be running the LMRCA, not the MMRCA

    try again ๐Ÿ˜€

    as for the F-35, an unfinished design, with no ToT to speak of, it’s all but what India asked for in the first place

    funny :rolleyes: Do you specify what india reflect as a medium fighter?
    As i recall gripen was in the competion. therefore defined as i medium class fighter in india..

    As i also recall a F-15A per se a heavy fighter. but still lower MTOW than Rafale. Yes capability change with technology at hand, but does the definitions?

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2302485
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    in reply to: J-20 Thread 7 #2302573
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    At least as visible EM goes, black absorb better than other colors

    Yes the A/C becomes a blackhole for VIS EM ๐Ÿ˜€
    Too sad visual detection is a passive detection technic, that really makes it easier than a mirror to spot.

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