Wow………the question in my mind is the USAF (Pentagon) truly able to manage responsibly its next generation F-22 replacement program????
What with the T-50 (and the PRC’s J-20) closing any gap that the F-22 had over the likes of the Flanker series, compounded even further by the likelihood that both the Russian’s and PRC will be willing to sell these 5th Gen fighter to anyone and everyone! U.S military projects requirements and project management has failed dismal over the past 20 years 😡
I would be inclined to say that the U.S military as a whole better seriously lift its game and start fielding what it truly need (as opposed to what it dreams). Also the Pentagon better start looking after its own interests, rather than the corporate world profits and games.Pioneer
0,5m2 isnt exactly in the same leage..
AESA is vastly superior of detecting VLO, i assume India is looking into upgrading their Su-30 with AESA,
I bet on Elta, or a domestic version, hence the insistence on AESA ToT from MMRCABut Estrada confirmed the AESA is designed to detect targets with small radar cross sections.
“I don’t know the specifics with the T-50,” Estrada says,
“but I will tell you that this -(V)3 radar is very capable of detecting low-RCS platforms”.
The Pesa is wastly superior in side range and scan volume.(still..)
I’d like to know what cruising speed = M1.7 refers to
supercruising? 1,7 MACH is F-22 highest supercruising speed.
Sign, could you provide a SOURCE that there is two versions of Meteor with different physical datalinks?
That´s kind of what the issue comes down to.
if you want a source, google it until you find it. I dont have a source on internet.
i cant tell you more of this case, sorry.
how do you make EF stealthy?
unless you have magic stealth dust or something like that you have to change shape.
reshape means new integrated external stealth shaping and aerodynamics. new aerodynamics means new structure. which means basically a new program.
one can do is leverage all the system experience built up during EF. rest is easy.
re-shape? same weightclass, same avionics, same same but different?
magic dust would make xxx billions of american obsolite 🙂
That would be nice.
Source?
Just because a plane only uses one way of a two-way datalink doesn’t make it a “different” datalink (i.e. data format types, frequency and modulation are still the same, there is just no communication going back).
its two differerent designs, one based on mica.
IMO, the best bet for India would be the Rafale F3, which in the future is likely to be backed by the UAE and Brazil who could share upgrade development costs with India and France for the Rafale F4+ onwards. .
Likely?
EF2000 have much much much better sell record..rafale null…
So dont bet to much on those deals.
The only thing that holds water is the fact that france is more dedicated than UK, Germany, Italy, and Spain together. Dont forget the buyer nations.
Still they have bigger budgets together..
Actually the SAAB design that you´ve posted above is slightly longer than the Typhoon with every other metric (including weight) almost equal to the quadrinational bird.
One of the reasons why today you cant go and make a much smaller design is the internal weapon bays.Cheers
yes, but thats what korea asked for. But i still like smaller ACs. Its a bigger model of the swedish version FS2020.
a single medium thrust engine fighter with canards? isn’t that what saab is doing already it seems.
all these asian countries do got the $$$, they can aford longer range with two engines. especially if you toss in stealth and market it as a better alternative to F-15SE/F-18E/F/ Flankers because its newer/stealthier, and better than JSF because its “faster”, and whatnot. isn’t that where the big $$$ is at anyways?
think about, Bill S is constantly groaning about a twin-F414 engined Medium stealth fighter as what could have been, and looks like Both Japanese (with the Shinshen) and Koreans with their twin engined mini rapator is both in that class if not exactly in concept. Boeing’s F-18E/F and 15SE follow ons are really attempts to sequeeze last drop out of their st-louis production line before goint for 6th gen.
and looks like chinese 5th gen medium is going to be twin engined too.Americans are going for the single engine solution again for the “lower tier” manned 5th generation fighter. constrained by Stovl. but not all countries need stovl. seems this time around not all countries will go for a single engine solution. you have a proliferation of twin engine requirements but not the technical execution. so that shows at least some body recognized there is a need.
the biggest mark against EF is percieved lack of “stealth” right? it has a good engine, good radar, good ew, good performance.
so why not make a EFT-XL based on F-16XL concept but stealth focused. who knows, it might be a hit.
ok why not just EF stealth? i dont see the point of expensive hardware that burns in the pocket every hour.
The world are getting smaller, military budgets are under the microscope, noone except maybe china and brazil, can dogde the budget restraining bullit.
is it me or does it look like those bays can only hold one missile?
a total of 2 meteor and two shortrange AAM.
Thats the point, not to much bulk.
Its a tradeof in performance, instead of bulk you get, for example, supercruise, better range, better endurance, and lower cost per flight hour, and better agility.
Its not a flying can, like the F-35, its a sleek multirole optimiced for air-superiority first of all, not a bombtruck.
You cant have a sportcar, van and mini at the same time (in one vehicle) ;). Sorry.
So in effect if we will have to keep two separate stocks of Meteor for Rafale and other aircraft if Rafale is selected and Meteor is integrated to other IAF platforms.
yes, if not bigger money is pored into it
As usual, dealing with the french, they cant agree with others. Thats why Meteor have two datalinks amd Eurofighter and Rafale is separate jets.
seems a Typhoon-XL is prob a good way to go. cranked delta. internal/semi-internal carriage. redesign inlets. smaller fins.
wasn’t lockheed suppose to come up with a “super F-16” to corner the “those-that-can’t-afford-JSF” market?
why not smaller EF version? electronics, engine efficiencies and materials makes it possible to cut size, after all, size is cheaper in all aspects.
as always i love the saab versions 🙂
It is safe to say Meteor will not be integrated on Mirage 2000,
at least 10 years ago, SWAF compared the PS-05A radar vs RDY,
and said PS-05A has 20% longer detection range.It has also been said it would take an upgrade to Raven AESA which has vastly improved detection range to fully exploit the capabilities of Meteor,
alas RDY is insufficient..The number of MICA bought for M.2000 could be an indication if the plan is to buy Rafale, i.e if more Mica’s are bought than reasonable.
RDY-3 is part of the uppgrade will probably have better ranges than earlier RDY radars. But have seen on some sites that is have smaller ranges than RDY-2….
PS 05-A mk3 have <120 for 1m2 object..
That makes:
RDY<100km
RDY-2<115km (seen 15% over RDY)
RDY-3?
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/indias-fighter-upgrades-mirage-2000s-next-02891/
Ps. Meteor have two kinds of datalinks, one french(one-way) and one ROW(two-way).
Ok I have another question then. If the Mirage cost don’t include the weapons, given the slow rate of upgrade (taking nine years), would it make sense to integrate the Meteor with the Mirage ? will the integration cost more than buying stocks of MICA which are only going to be used on the Mirage ?
no problemo, the french meteor datalink is very alike mica ones.
Hopefully the mirage radars can cope with the new ranges..