The Gripen NG is simply not enough against the PLAAF considering the future. We need something heavier, with more punch. Unfortunately (cost wise), only the Rafale and EF match up.
the only volume capable AESA and meteor isnt so bad.. heavier is MKI thats the point of it.
but the last word is him
which is kind of weird…
is there any democracy thats works this way exept brazil?
Rafale migrates to 7 in 2013…
That’s if the world doesn’t really end at the end of 2012.
Nic
hope they have drivers for the rafale joystick and thottle in 7 then 🙂
[QUOTE=quadbike;1489068]Denel is already blacklisted so is Bofors. If this article is true the politicans who want to prevent Bribery allegations would probably do govt to govt business with U.S for most of the bigger deals in future.
No thanks, you’re blacklisted!
Over this last decade, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has “blacklisted” so many foreign arms corporations that the military’s modernisation plan has virtually stalled. The MoD “blacklist” is not a formal document; an arms vendor is mostly embargoed unofficially, when senior bureaucrats agree that it is playing dirty.
The hit list reads like a Who’s Who of global weapons suppliers, including corporations with good records of delivering arms to India. Starting with Bofors in the late 1980s, the list grew to include Denel of South Africa; Israel Military Industries (IMI); Singapore Technologies Kinetic (STK); and now Thales of France. Earlier this year the world’s biggest defence contractor, Lockheed Martin, was on the blacklist. Now another global giant, BAE Systems, seems headed there after problems with setting up an assembly line in HAL Bangalore for the Hawk jet trainer.
It is hardly news that arms sales and corruption walk together. Arms vendors routinely bribe political leaders, bureaucrats and senior military officers, not just in India but worldwide. BAE Systems allegedly bribed Saudi Arabian royals with hundreds of millions of dollars in the infamous Al Yamamah contracts. Thales, credibly accused of bribing South African presidential hopeful, Jacob Zuma, is also being sued by Taiwan to recover US $590 million allegedly paid in kickbacks to win a deal for six warships. Most arms companies maintain multi-million dollar slush funds to ease the way for their giant deals.
But the Indian MoD is wholly wrong in behaving as if the problem is just one of predatory arms corporations. All those bribes are being paid to somebody; but no Indian MoD official is in jail for having accepted a bribe. Instead South Block’s vendor blacklists grow longer and longer.
These blacklists are now choking defence procurement. The Indian Army’s artillery firepower is grossly inadequate today because — starting from the original Bofors scandal — every time an artillery gun looks like it may be selected by the army, a cloud comes over its vendors. In recent years, the Bofors 155mm towed howitzer has been the standout candidate in repeated Indian trials. But the cloud over Bofors has never really lifted, even though it is now owned by the UK-headquartered BAE Systems.
In the procurement of tracked guns South African company, Denel, was to fit a gun turret on the Arjun tank chassis. That was scuttled in 2005 when Denel was unofficially blacklisted over bribery allegations, never proved, in another sale. That also blocked a crucial ammunition factory, being built in George Fernandes’ constituency, Nalanda, for which Denel was providing technology. In 2007, Israel Military Industries replaced Denel as technology partner; this June, after former Ordnance Factories Board (OFB) chairman, Sudipta Ghosh was arrested, IMI was prohibited as well. The Nalanda factory languishes.
Also ostracised after Ghosh’s arrest was Singapore Technologies Kinetic, whose Pegasus ultralight howitzer was the lone gun being evaluated for the army’s mountain divisions. Despite strong protests from the army (Business Standard, 18th July 09) that crucial procurement remains blocked. Two new mountain divisions for the Sino-Indian border are being starved of artillery.
“Today, anyone who wants to block an important Indian arms purchase has only to level an allegation against the vendor”, complains an Indian army officer furiously. “Anonymous letters, motivated charges, press reports, whatever… just kick-start an investigation and the MoD will kill the procurement. This is now routine business practice for rival arms dealers and, sooner or later, Pakistan and China will realise how easy it is to stop vital purchases from going through.”
Former OFB Chairman, Sudipta Ghosh, was granted bail in July after the CBI failed to file a charge sheet against him. But the seven arms companies (4 foreign and 3 Indian), which were blacklisted after his arrest, remain proscribed.
This situation, ironically, is rooted in Defence Minister AK Antony’s crusade against corruption. But his onslaught has entirely bypassed wrongdoing within his own ministry. And, increasingly, US companies are being let off the hook in situations where lesser mortals might have paid a heavier price. Lockheed Martin, discovered with classified information, was ordered to dispense with the services of its India CEO, Ambassador Douglas Hartwick (Business Standard, 13th July 09). But it remains in contention for the IAF’s lucrative medium fighter contract.
Similarly, even after the US Department of Justice revealed that the subsidiaries of two US companies, York Navy Systems and Textron, paid bribes to secure defence contracts in India, these companies face no blacklists or restrictions.
In a procurement environment characterised by paranoia, blacklists, and dwindling vendor options, India will inevitably drift towards sourcing most of its defence sales from the US, using the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route. In this, New Delhi will provide Washington with its requirements; the Pentagon will nominate a vendor and negotiate a price; India will pay and and receive the equipment. This will be non-controversial in terms of corruption and kickbacks, but renew dependency on Washington in the crucial military arena./QUOTE]
bofors and denel isnt the only “independent” defence companys. Dassault and Saab, MDBA, Deihl…. and the list goes on…
Here’s the Gripen carrying lots of Bombs. Any ideas on what type/weight they are. For being a 1 engine plane the Gripen sure can carry a lot of bomb load.
Here is a CGI for the Gripen in the indian fighter comptetition carrying lots of bombs.
Any idea’s on what this Gripen is carrying. I’m seeing a maverick(presumably 2), 2 wingtip missiles either sidewinder or IRIS-T and another?
Again another CGI, i doubt this would even take off with such a load!
And just cause i like both planes a Gripen taking fuel from an RAF VC-10. It will be so sad when these planes retire.
the india proposal
Python 5, and Total of 8x GBU-12 LGBs on Twin Store Carriers fitted to Stations 2 and 5 (L&R), plus 2x 300 US gallon Fuel Drop tanks on Station 3 (L&R), Station 4 fitted with Laser Designator Pod, Station 5C empty:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(missile)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-12_Paveway_II
the big missile is the RB-15F and is an anti-ship missile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBS-15
the other stuff, i have no idea?
the empty weight 7.1 tons (the NG of the renditions) and maximum takeoff at 16.5 tons so…just count backwards.
The DK would probably takeoff, thou it has been offered to danmark..
the only way a could think of, why this flaming started is that the Rafale fanboys feel pressured over brazil..
Personally, i think it look incredibly front-heavy! god only knows how it’s gonna keep the nose up.
or not relaxed stability at all…
Firing HARM means that it locks on radar and it does not use jamming… So what do you mean with anti HARM? Besides that… If jamming is used that will not mean that the jammer comes within the range of the SAM. Besides that it is an option that the opponent uses cruise misiles (750-1000km range) to destroy the SAM…
anti-harm is jumping in frecency fast enough, LPI or stop sending? and get a move on…
Dont flame so much.
Its both good fighters.
especially you Dare2, you started it and dont seems to know how to STOP!?.. aligations and lies will not make you long time member of this forum…
for your account :
Gripen have about 130000 flight hours, not bad at all. 95-100% availability is the norm. have been tested and evaluated enough! even got some orders!
Always picked the best hardware in the west out there, as “cots”, if it fitted the requirement and if its cheaper than make it on there own. For that, it got performance and better cost. So whats wrong about that? its a different strategi and it seems to pay of.
FCS is all swedish, not british.
Got all new avionics, if it was the other way around, the rafale would still be “the best”. So is brand new avionics good or bad? would you say the same thing about your new computer compare to your old?
180 degress missile release isnt unique. Gripen just got irst missiles and got the cobra helmet for a while.. the rest is BS.
gripen crashes is about the lowest in world. dont pick on it.
Rafale isnt all french, but all non french components are classified. (believe me i know)
Gripen has 0 combat experience and nearly as little hours to prove anything being remotly superior.
Not a single Dassault aircraft was lost to a FCS fault either.
As for bandwidth i’m curious to know how even SAAB would know.
combat experience bombing huts in afganistan doesnt count….does any new platform have combat experience?!
98 times is over C/D gripens…i think they know..
Very nice. The production standard Herti is also being certified by this year.
Looks like tons of carbon fibre used.
hopefully not too many “tons” 😀
They still can develop a new version for KC-390 based on those of the Falcon 7-X, Embarer wouldn’t say no to this and the Rafale FBW, as advanced as it is, is still of an older generation than that of F-35 (all-electric with no hydrolics actuators), i bet Dassault are already studying their next generation FCS today.
Gripens is brand new hardware 98 times or someting more bandwith. and its all given away..
What are the chances of us seeing a Berkut,Mig1.44 style tech demonstrator from the Chinese (just for the hype) soon ?
about 50% on a f-35/22 lookalike.. they stole alot of f-35 documents a year back or so..
It appears there was a glitch in engine performance at 1:01 and 2:36
that has been on disussion earlier on a gripen forum, and its a overpressure valve that have dumped fuel, for the afterburner to ignite..
nice pictures can be found at:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84527&page=116
According to Chinese media, including official CCTV, the next generation fighter after J-10 will take maiden flight very soon.
Variant voice from different side of designers said that we are confident our new generation fighter will go ahead of the F-22 and it needs 10 years to surpass the F-22 to both.
A via commander also said 8-10 years should be waiting for entrance service of the new fighter.
****, thats news!
the democratic world on the verdge of not being the dominant force…
Hope india will balance the chart in the democratic world soon enough.