first its not a new maneuver….it was done in 1955.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hax3rhqGJcQ

But its made in really thin air, and lift is probably made out of enginepower (the long stay in position of su-27)…
the aerodynamics and center of gravity have probably something to do with which airplanes capable of it.

You are correct. For canards, the CG is forward of the wing’s center of lift and the canards do provide lift for balance.

we talking about relaxed stability close-coupled canards like the gripen and the rafale.
Isnt that only lift in canards in stable airplanes like Saab Viggen? When center of gravity is in front of the lift of the main wing?

See, we were discussing range-payload comparisons only. Avionics can be taken for granted because Tejas has been a test-bed for the avionics of the Su-30 MKI. The EW suite, jammers, Litening target pod, HMDS etc. of Tejas Mk.1 are equivalent to Gripen – NG. Weapons on it are also contemporary.

Mk.2 will have greater sensor fusion, and IRST. EADs had earlier offered an AESA radar for the Tejas, however it is not under consideration presently.

no one here does understand your weird “logic”… so please get the evidence och stop argueing..

Look at the SAAB offer to Austria. They overcharged, & lost. It was cheaper than Eurofighter, but not by enough. All subsequent Gripen sales have been at lower prices.

Part right only, Bae handeled that deal.. and the deal was optimized för EF….so not the normal prize for Gripen.
Saab was not happy of the Bae work and Bae was cut of from future deals.

Considering that Brazil likely wants to spend its extra money on developing and integrating their own weapons rather than on anything else the more operational and funded basic aircraft capability on offer would clearly be appreciated. I don’t know if EuFi offered AESA or not to the FAB, but Gripen/Rafale/SH has today more operational multirole integration .

doesnt rafale has a integration problem in the past?

Can Rafale operate from the smallish Sao Paolo?

I agree that in any case Rafale is probably the front runner — Rumors say Brazil wants to build a new aircraft carrier — consider that Eurofighter and F-16 was not on the shortlist, and neither are easily converted to naval operations. Some people claim Gripen may be easier to convert.

Still, Rafale seems the front runner in Brazil. My uneducated guess is it will win in Brazil, not SH, for political reasons. It seems Brazil wants to keep some “independence” of the US.

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If rafale wins over gripen, i think that ither a sweet TOT, like nuclear subs, or really really good price, is in play.

Missile motor plumes can be detected at extremely long ranges by IR sensors. For example, the Ukrainian S-200 that shot down Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 over the Black Sea in October 2001 was detected and tracked by an American DSP satellite in geosynchronous orbit at 22,000 miles altitude. The Russians refused to believe anyone could track such a small missile from so far away until they recovered wreckage full of shrapnel holes. The Ukrainians were shamed into confessing after the Americans quietly told them that we had the evidence. This is why F-22, F-35 have IR based missile detection.

Radar-based missile approach warners do not have the range of IR detectors and only provide warning for the last few seconds prior to impact. Maybe that is enough time to play the ECM/ECCM game successfully or maybe it is not. Time will tell.

any name of the hardware or the company that does that kind of detector, a hard part in IR spectra is all other radiation sources. Seems really hard for signalprocessing, and alot of false alarms.

Sin you must remember though that the Gripen benefited from a lot off the shelf technology… that wasn’t the case for the F-16 at the time.

what is shelf tech in gripen A/B? parts of the engine? ejector seat?