Like I said western Cockpits do look pretty while the MKIs one has good functionality even though its looks can;t match

Again the weight of the avionics in MKI does not easly convert into Tejas Mk2

The screens etc. is a way to make sensorfusion, automation and mmi work easly. the MMI is a important way to put of the workload of the pilots.

If y look on the “eastern” engine stats occupate at least one sceen all the time. On western, they use fully automated FADEC to offload the pilots, and they dont need to show it. No need, no show principal. Thats one of many automations under the surface.

The MFDs are LCD. They may need an upgrade though. But the MKI and Mig 21 Bison and Mig 27 upgrades have High Contrast LCD MFDs integrated by HAL, so that will not be much of a problem.

There is nothing that cannot be sorted out in the next few years.

hmm..its just the tip of an iceberg… sort that out and you have a fighter..
but its not going to be easy!?

Its suffering from weight problems because the IAF needs more from the fighter than it initially wanted. And the more the equipment the more the weight. I think the current F 404 cannot handle the added weight of the AESA. May be that’s the reason why the IAF wants to wait for the MK2 before it places any new orders.

There is very little in the public realm with regards to the current avionics. The cockpit and HUD are state of the art. And HAL will consider the integration of newer avionics as the easier part. The MKI is heavier than a clean Su 30 so i guess it does. 😀 Then again it also has an engine and radar upgrade coming.

For me, monocrome crt displays and analog switches i kind of 80s, not western stat-of the-art sensor fusion. So this is just the top of the iceberg that you can see in the cockpit..But its still functional and probably works fine but weighty.

The engine cant compensate for all weight, the flight preformance suffers still. so does wingloadings, weaponsload, and range etc.

Since the MK1 don’t have a radar, there is not much to change in that aspect. There are reports that the ELTA EL/M 2052 will be chosen.

Most of the avionics will be Indian, French and Israeli. That will not be much of a challenge as HAL have expertise in integrating these systems to the MKI, Mig 27 upgrades and the Jaguar upgrade.

So why is it having the weigh problems?
And the avionics to date is really 20 years behind.
AESA radars weight more normally than its pesa predesesor.
in a MKI the sensorpack and avionics does not suffer from weight so much. I is not an issiue for that big plane.

So what is the weight going to be for the MKI with a small AESA radar? 7000kg?
They really need to set a strict limit on all parts going into the MK2. if its about to flie this time.

Well, I apologize for the poor grammer…………I guess that what you get when you try and do three things at once. (and don’t proof read) 😮 That said, my poor grammer hardly make your case. Personally, you can spin it all you want. The simple fact is the LCA has been in development for nearly two decade and has yet to enter squadron service. Nor is it likely to in the forseeable future……….:p

The LCA is a total failure…………you pretending its not hardly makes it so.;)

Failure in the scope of deliver a fighter to replace the bison in resionly time and budget, but not in an effort to learn about aerospace industri and to construct an airplane and engine.
And noone knows if they pull it off, in the end. Lots of extra time and money thou.

Your eye cannot discern it, but the wingtips on F-22 are antenna farms for ALR-94.

Its still a compromise stealth vs. the form and position of the antenna.

maybe the F-22 have little concern over that? Stealth is still better?

Yes its very unfortunate the way SAAB have been reportedly treated over the false economics & conclusion that the NG is insufficient for Norwegian operations – if SAAB is to be believed.

But I still see no requirement specification and as such my point still stands – you can’t make the claim that the JSF didn’t win because of technical merits. Especially if you are not privy to the legally binding requirement specification that transcends mere speculation. Additionally, in general terms the JSF, if delievered with all its promises seems to be the superior technical solution by a margin. So while politics seem to have been a decisive factor in the decision, one can not claim F-35 wouldn’t have won without the grey haired men in suits…. It is unfair on the F-35 as a product and unfair on Lockheed Martin and its subcontractors….

Instead blame the Norwegian government for making the Gripen seem like a fraud.

They would not enter the competion and spend so much money if they did not surpass the initial rec spec.

If the rec spec has grown to include stealth, they never said that to saab. which is weard? It was all well and done until recently…and they presented the “simulation”..that the dont want to show, and the have no true data for.

So the recuirement specification has nothing to do with the last evaluation, only a false simulation.