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  • in reply to: Denmark set to run fighter selection in 2013/4? #2288739
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    Then either way they are stuffed, because the Griffin couldn’t penetrate it self out of a paper bag.

    And from now on everybody here will take anything you say very seriously.
    Now, get this troll out of here.

    in reply to: what's the Tejas' fundamental problem? #2290736
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    Good post Teer, but i cant stop thinking about the questions that been in media, about matching IAF expectations on power-to-weight and aerodynamic efficences?
    what is this problem? is it the requirement or the system that fails? or is it a non-problem?

    Its a small craft, and at the moment rather big engine for its size 8-10kN. Why wouldnt this be a match?

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2300902
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    they obviously are…. where would dassault get 2nd hand rafales from?

    Armée de l’Air? or parts of it in an upgrade of it?
    Or maybe from one of its export customers.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2301145
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    is this a rafale “what if?” thread?
    What if rafale where a smaller jet?
    What if gripen was a bigger jet? in india?
    now this is really pointless, please get over it..
    At least rafale missed out the norway “bidding process”.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2303506
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    a bit late here, but just a detail:

    a burn rate is given for a specific flight regime with a specific airframe (airflow inside it and airflow outside it), if the air ducts and the aircraft aerodynamics aren’t the same, you end up with different fuel consumption for a given flight regime than on another aircraft type (or same type with different aerodynamics from the expected ones)

    for example:

    flight @0.8M @ 25000ft

    you expect to burn (supposition) 10kg of fuel per minute.

    but your aerodynamics are crap and your aircraft has twice the drag you included in your estimation. as a result, your engine has to produce twice the thrust to give you the same flight regime: 0.8M@25000ft… that higher thrust requires a higher fuel burn rate than expected

    this does not holds any water.
    its verfied gripen DEMO tests that, with one drop tank (450 Gal) gives the Gripen DEMO an extra range of approximately 1000 km (subsonic). that means lesser fuelburn than expected
    The only way this holds any water is the fact the Demo A/C is equipped for the F414, less efficient intakes for 1,4mach+.
    But that have nothing to do with e E/F modell, only the current Demo A/C

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2306365
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    sweden would never sell any fighter to algeria, thats my 5 cents anyway

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2306807
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    you obviously have no idea just how complex copying is.

    China have always been the best copiers in the world! so this is obvius!
    do you remember:

    http://defensetech.org/2012/02/06/did-chinese-espionage-lead-to-f-35-delays/

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2310707
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    Old School
    http://klay.smugmug.com/photos/509578106_dGDQN-L.jpg

    wow, looks capable 😉

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2310974
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    The Jane’s report was commissioned and paid by Saab…
    The only reliable numbers about costs are those given by customers and operators … and it makes global comparison difficult.

    well, this is Janes a well merited news corp. making a articel about customers figures, please read.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2311780
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    I agree that it is dependant on what you count- and being the manufacturer, Saab will naturally count minimal line items to arrive at a per hour operating cost, as opposed to an Air Force that needs to spend on spares, overhaul and maintenance for a fleet of a particular type. Which is why, the $10k figure that the SAAF provided is more likely to be the realistic figure as opposed to the only fuel, oil and lubricants that Saab likely took into account to arrive at $3k or $4k per hour figure.

    stop being so obstinate. It doesnt really matters what you take into account.
    What matters is the comparing of apples and apples.
    that what Janes have done, according to the article.
    Same things are included in all the fighters in the comparison.

    Also why take the total LCC into account? Things like base and A/C investments are allready payed for? the depreciation are still there if it´s sits on the ground or of flying.
    Things that costs extra while flying should be the only things that you should take into account, in my opinion.
    Otherwise i would never fly exept at war, it would be too darn expensive 😉
    And the more you tend to leave the jets on the ground the more expensive the flight hours become (due to less flighthours in total to spread youre investment on).

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2314348
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    It’s a French thing… I was just wondering what all the fuss was about since Google Translate rarely does a good job with technical issues. 🙂

    no tech issiues only contractional.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2314352
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    Here are the PDF slide of the public announcement (in French, haven’t found the German version if it has ever existed).

    It also seems Switzerland will not buy the Gripen F, similarly to Sweden.

    It seems they will have some kind of lease of 8 gripen C and 3 gripen D in a transision period. So they be able to get rid of the F-5 earlier!

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2319331
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    actually, the training part would probably be more interesting with the french, as they’re just across the border and have offered to open the french airspace and facilities to swiss pilots for training which would give them quite a big playground anytime they want right at their doorstep…

    so you mean that sims installations etc. training and experience of pilot, service personal, the other staff surrounding a airforce system comes for free due to the fact they can borrow french airspace?
    why not borrow Vidsel test range instead and test live bvr?
    I dont think french people like it more than the swiss…

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2321366
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    India also interested in other jets

    well noone is happy camper in neglections, this is just part of the game..

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2321445
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    How to make sure that the price doesn’t “explode” after buying the first patch?

    And how to make sure that the price isn’t overpriced for spare parts and essential upgrades?

    well, it should be the cheapest anyway, especially with all infrastructure, weapons, training already etc. allready there . Especially if they are happy about it.

    Then Saab got a big big advantage, but never that “safe”

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