I just wana say, for sakes sake, I know there isn’t any PAK-FA “lite” on the drawing boards, i was making a generalization on how economies go,…………

To the rest? I like how you bolded ” a strike on the motherland”, since they were my own words and I never said them in direct context to new aircraft, I am a son of parents who grew up learning duck and cover drills, believe me, the last thing I am worried about it the US and Russia getting into a nuclear exchange……….
( I Know enough not to give a s h i aaaaaaaat at that point lol)

Please, do me a favor echonine, i forget the thread on the Naval Forum, but i told a American to STFU over the latest sub incident cause it had nothing to do with the convo…more than dirty laundry. I’m not askin ya to like me, but give me the benefit of the doubt lol. Thats all 🙂

Ok, I apologize if you have been drinkin from the Starbucks *******s coffee cups….. I was just trying to have a simple convo…..But, It seems I can not have one with ya.

No where was I prescribing a strike on the motherland, you are the one that brought that up. No where did i ever put down Russian forces, I never did and never will. “Better to overestimate ones enemy than underestimate” is what I say.

Honestly, I got involved in a convo I should never have bothered with, I knew where it was going, but thats ok, I tried my best. Good luck yo ya and your respective country, I notice you don’t have it listed…

Oh, and btw, before ya try to bash me, look at my post on the top of this very page….it may tell ya I ain’t bashin Russian stuff whatsoever, but its up to you, otherwise, have a good 1

1 F-16? of course not, but as we all know, the US doesn ‘t send 1 F-16 alone…

And may I add, I was looking into the full powers of the AD kit for both sides, and their respective modes of AD.

Ehhh, short of a WWIII the F-16 will do just fine, the F-35 even better. No one, well not me, is putting down Russian AD, but there comes a time where “back doors” are always found. Personally, I’ve found the the question between

1) SAMS
2) Fighters

For Air Defense, beyone all the east/west crap, has anyone come to a logical conclusion? WHat are you better off with? (with all things being equal)

IOC for the PAK-FA is 2013, and assuming things are on schedule – especially with the new powerplant and radar, this date is fairly realistic.

There is also no need to develop a “cheaper” jet – as I’d bet the PAK-FA will be cheaper to operate than even the overpriced F-35.

No disrespect, but wait till the real world of economics hits Russia, they’ll be bulding PAK-FA “lite” aka F-35 type. Nothing against Russia, its just the way it is.

BTW, before anyone blast me I have admitted im a US citizen first, love the F-22, seen it fly/turn and burn, but have given the Russians credit wheres credt due, which is in a lot of places, which any blind person could see.

ID love to see a Su-27 ‘series” fly in the states around me someday, she is a graceful bird, least on the ground, helluva lot better lookin than any Eagle.

The donor heart came from a 22 year old lad from Sydney..the doctor that harvested the organs said it was Rolls Royce of a heart..so it’s got quite a few miles left on the clock.. so a little sweet indulgence now and then shouldn’t hurt

Good for u buddy, good times ahead of ya, I’ll “cheers” to that 😀
Live life to its fullest is what I say 🙂

Ok, to put it bluntly, as a “redneck”, I appreciate my allies especially Great Britain. We may all have different opinions, but we all have the same “end game” in mind.

Thats just me, but I want to say I love my European Cousins.

BTW, Could someone point me towards a good book that really truly explains why GB and the US became such ” buddy buddies” so soon after the revolution?

PS: I know it took “some” time, but holy crapola, this relationship, to me, cemented overnight.