Well whatever It may be, keep up the good work everybody, this is what we can all enjoy, trying to figure out just what the hell it is without all the bs involved (well most of us). But keep it up, I love plane watchin 🙂

Daz, get a 360, we can get on XBox Live and run a mafia crew in multiplayer 😀

Can I play? :dev2:

Ok just to play devils advocate, how many Iraqi immigrants have moved to Europe? Im just wondering, I know there has been a wide spread exodus (obviously)…..but where did they all end up?

And, another question from myself. Im just an American, so I only see and read what Im able to get to that is a reasonably credible source. But, as far as I know, there is already a huge muslim population in Europe. I hope, for this discussion, we are not confusing Iraqi citizens seeking a safe haven for actual immigrants. And I know, in the end its the same thing, but for this discussion its two different things.

Wow, not to stir the pot, but this thread died a sudden death. There were some good discussions on both sides, pro hunting/anti-hunting, and then there was me preaching the US 2nd amendment (I have no problem admitting that, but to me, its all interconnected).

Anyways, if this thread/discussion is dead, so be it, but I was just getting warmed up :diablo:

We’re talking Grand Theft Auto right? Im just making sure, Personally I love playing the game.

Any of the weenie protesting groups over there in Europe screaming about how “bad” this game is? Im just wondering, the word is just getting out here in the states and its slowly but surely sparking up some good dialogue, just like every new edition has.

Is it possible this has been kept so quiet by the US (therefore Israel) because we wanted to keep the talks with NK looking all hunky doory and not make the concessions look like a completely idiotic move? And also, as a warning to NK, yes we caught you this time, but we’ll forget about it. But dont let it happen again.

Let alone the fact that as much as the Arab world despises Israel and its nukes, the last thing they want is a nuclear Iran….therefore no outrage over this incident….Keep it quiet and move on.

Just a few ideas, any of them plausible?

ps………… Apology accepted, Chuck. :diablo:

Thank you oh wise one, I do not want to tick off the mod gods 😀

I think the issue here is that whilst the vast majority of gun owners may be responsible people, the minority who are not can cause tremendous and disproportionate suffering to both humans and animals. Where a society like America allows such widespread ownership of guns, it must surely increase the likelihood of those weapons falling into the hands of the unbalanced or disaffected, with the tragic results we see all too often. Sadly, and to the bewilderment of much of the rest of the World, the US seems to regard that as a price worth paying. :confused:

I’m not sure what you see outside the states in regards to what happens often here. Sure there have been campus shootings and madmen running the streets of LA, but those occurrences are few and far between.

What you probably see (and I’m taking a stab at it here) is the murders in the major cities in this country. One reason I would expect this is because that is all that I see. I live about 40 miles outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Last year its murder rate was well over 1 per day. Most of the murders had to do with gangs and drugs. The sad part is that the victims are more often than not innocent bystanders. If these druggies shot straight and only killed each other, I don’t think anyone would have a problem with it.

The problem is the police force is not large enough, aren’t always, ehhh lets just say, doing their best. On top of this, Philadelphia has very tough gun control laws, where the average citizen who lives in the city isn’t allowed to own some weapons or carry some. Again, as I pointed out in my earlier post, if you can not defend yourself from the scum of society, what else can you do? Go and Vote? And to take a line from the New York City Mayor, Michael Bloomberg who was asked about people not being able to buy/own a handgun in NYC he said “We have the best police force in the world, there is no need for someone to own a gun.” Now I’m not knocking the NYPD, but the police can not be everywhere at every time. So what are we supposed to do? Sit and hope and pray?

I think not, I would much rather have the ability to defend myself if needed. The gun problem in the US is not widespread, even though I’m sure that idea goes against all conventional wisdom. The gun problem, the murders, are only in a certain group of this country. And it does bother me to say this, but as you said this “problem” is something a lot of Americans are willing to live with. Not because we don’t care, but because we will not tolerate a loss of our individual rights in order to (the key word)”possibly” address a serious problem in a certain group of society.

I could further discuss this, but I don’t wanna take up more of my time at this moment. However, I will further discuss this at any future point if anyone is interested 😀

this post on here has actually made this site not very enjoyable anymore after all this is suppose to be a aviation forum hence the name the aviation forum

sad really

Ehhh not to be rude Bristol Rob, but does your computer automatically bring you to this thread when you log on to KeyPub? Because if it doesn’t, your opinion, IMHO, quite simply sums up who you are. And who you are is fine, but It makes sense of everything. I’m a pro-gun, bible toting hick, but I’m willing to discuss this further, whats up with you?

BTW, isn’t this thread posted in the GENERAL DISCUSSION area of the forum? I may have to go back to school…..what does General Discussion actually entail? Maybe a mod could help me out, I wouldn’t want to break any forum rules.

Oh and if sarcasm isn’t allowed I apologize in advance.